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To: TobagoJack who wrote (3951)	5/28/2001 10:09:59 PM
From: Cogito Ergo Sum	Respond to of 74559

You reminded me of 'our famous Canadian Hakka luminary' asiawind.com regards Kastel EDIT 'On the matter about you not buying “Made in China” goods, more problematic. I opened up my Sony Vaio, and looked at the parts … oops.' I was going to mention that in my post to Cobalt for I assumed it was known ?!!

To: TobagoJack who wrote (3951)	5/29/2001 12:28:58 AM
From: smolejv@gmx.net	Respond to of 74559

>>Altogether there may have been 13 Ming Dynasty expeditions...was not much out there, and it was expensive<< ...as opposed to Portuguese (followed by dutch, french, english, etc vultures) to India. And then Dutch said "damn, they sit already in Malabar, let's sail on" and then Portuguese agains said "Damn, I hate those Hollander" and sailed past Batavia on to Macao... And the traders from Belgium, they moved off-coast into the jungle - great ape hunting grounds, they may even have diamonds for us if we have good enough arguments in our hands -. As you stress again and again Jay, take it "as is". I still feel moral hangover. Keeps me oriented. Hakka - good to know. Never read about them before; Re Roma (Gipsies to them is same as Krauts is to Germans), have to find out when they started to move. The oldest suggestion is Alexander the great:"we looove this Alex so much we will travel with him back to his Macedonia". dj