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To: Graystone who wrote (70870)	5/31/2001 1:09:02 AM
From: E. Charters	Respond to of 116815

Sowbelly brooches? Hell. I have seen Java Beans Cadillacs and anyone knows Java is only suitable on a browser so far and there is no trustable security model that anyone wants to implement. But reinvent X? Distributed embedded command sets that query databases and format messaging and text? Run Unix programs graphically in an low bandwidth asynchronous environment? Nobody's home. Billions wasted on the JIT jungle with the "extensible only" freako set. How do you do freaky things on someone elses hardware but harmlessly? It seems the receiver needs some kind of controlled environment. The command sets must not overflow the restricted area or operations limiitations. Better yet the restricted area should be a program not the OS. (But netscape is not going anywhere anytime soon.) Too many open holes in an OS. To think that SUN suggested NFS instead of HTTP a few wayback whens ago. Like you could trust RPC on an Internet. Whew Haw! It's like trusting government printing of paper money or the Clipper Chip. Java is dead but refuses to die. The bells of Bow are ringing. It's time we answered their Carion api-peal. And not it's not the .net, stupid. But allow me to digress ... One day I was on the shore of McVicar Lake and found some posts with only 4 digits on the tag. Do you know how far back that goes? Well Consolidated Mining and Smelting felt that the paradigm was CU-ZN and that was what we had to find. I stopped on their prime directive target, and seeing no alien cultures, pulled out a magnet. Alas! the banded streaks were Fe3O4, not exactly precluding their search, but making it a little bit less likely And since the map showed that Hanna Mining had drilled directly on strike 3 miles away, the environment was getting less likely still. So much for the high flown theories of Input anomalies. But Murray Watts had said he found gold in the region. All those 1920's posts were a gold rush, that was for sure. Indeed the flows, pillow and massive andesitic rocks with euhedral pyrite cubes spoke a language. Wait.. What was this? A mylonite? Hmmm... qtz, pyrite, black tourmaline ... I spoke to the honchos about the auriferous indications. "Do your job", I was told. "We will do the thinking." They never did find the Copper they were lookiing for. 15 years later not far away and on the same trend the Bond Gold deposit was found. It all lies fallow. We need the people who believe. We don't have that. What we have is people educated at Eton,. Upper Canada and Yale who are told what mantra they must chant. They take their appointed places and lead with some wisdom and not much honour. We go from crisis to crisis fighting and disagreeing with all. They hunt ghostly enemies within and control the people like Egyptian Pharoahs rulled their rabble. "It's a free society" they say, "as long as you do what we tell you." EC<:-}

To: Graystone who wrote (70870)	5/31/2001 8:34:07 AM
From: long-gone	Respond to of 116815

<<The fact that you have been there (Hell) leads me to believe that you have seen the the coffee bean necklaces, the beautiful bracelets of flaxseed and the sowbelly brooches. >> New Scientist Serious setback Fresh cases of foot and mouth disease in the UK are raising fears that the outbreak is far from over Fresh cases of foot and mouth disease in the UK are raising fears that the outbreak is far from over. Eight new cases were confirmed in the 24 hours up to 1900 on 28 May, and the number of new cases per week is now rising. Figures from the Ministry of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food show a cluster of 31 new cases in Settle, Yorkshire, since 10 May. The first case in Devon for 10 days has been reported, as have seven new cases near Clitheroe, Lancashire - the first for five weeks. About 3.1 million animals have now been condemned since the outbreak began in February. The government's chief scientific adviser and chief vet say that farming practices in the Settle region are probably responsible for the new disease hotspot. Stephen Rossides, head of food health and science at the National Farmers Union warns that farmers must not become complacent. "There must be continued vigilance. The big picture is that basically the disease is under control, but the cluster of cases in Settle is worrying," he told New Scientist. The number of new cases of foot and mouth per day had been steadily decreasing to an average of three in the week ending 13 May. Serious setback Early in May, Tony Blair announced that the fight against the disease was almost over. The new cases are a "serious setback for farmers, the tourist industry and other rural businesses," says Tim Yeo, the shadow agriculture minister. The cause of the new outbreak in Devon is unknown. But at least 14 of the new cases in Settle have been linked to the movement of people or livestock, according to MAFF. "Many farms have parcels of land away from the home premises. Consequently there have been many movements of people, vehicles and equipment, as well as some 350 licensed animal movements," the chief scientific officer and chief vet said in a joint statement. "We have to proceed erring on the side of caution," says Rossides. But there is no major cause for alarm, he says. "In the last major outbreak in 1967, it was the same - there were flare-ups. Every epidemic has a long tail. Sometimes new cases are explicable. Sometimes they are not. But carelessness can be a factor." A total of 1659 cases have been confirmed since the outbreak began. Correspondence about this story should be directed to latestnews@newscientist.com 15.29 GMT, 29 May 2001 Emma Young newscientist.com

To: Graystone who wrote (70870)	8/4/2001 11:39:48 AM
From: long-gone	Respond to of 116815

Friday August 3, 3:33 pm Eastern Time Coffee prices seen headed to lowest in a decade By Bruce Kamich NEW YORK, Aug 3 (Reuters) - Coffee prices appear headed to their lowest level in a decade or longer, as stepped-up production by Vietnam and other countries keeps feeding a worldwide supply glut, analysts said Friday. The gradual slide in prices started about 20 months ago and there is no end in sight. On Friday, in trading at the Coffee, Sugar & Cocoa Exchange (CSCE) in New York, the futures contract to deliver arabica coffee in September touched a fresh low of 49.80 cents per pound. Benchmark September ended the session at 50.40 cents, down 0.05 cent. Still, the earlier price pierced the 50-cent level seen by participants as a psychological support for the market, as selling by producers and speculators overwhelmed limited buying by coffee roasters as the hot summer weather slows consumption. The imbalance of the increased supply with demand by coffee consuming countries such as the United States reflects higher production by countries like Vietnam -- which only began significant exporting of coffee five years ago -- as well as the failure of price support programs such as the ``export retention'' plan put forward by the Association of Coffee Producing Countries (ACPC). As a result, market participants have no reason to believe the price decline will end anytime soon. ``We are headed down to 48.10 cents and possibly 45 cents. Producers still have fixing to do and the London coffee market looks very grim,'' Ann Prendergast, an analyst with commodity broker Refco Inc., told Reuters in a phone interview. Coffee prices have been in a nearly uninterrupted decline since December 1999. Major U.S. coffee roasters and other big customers have several months of inventory built up. That has given them the luxury of waiting for prices to slip further before topping up their stockpiles. Meanwhile, the retail price of canned coffee has edged lower in the past 18 months, with the market leader, Folgers, part of Procter & Gamble Co. (NYSE:PG - news), having reduced prices some five times. Even so, the full extent of the price declines have not been reflected in retail prices which are subject to distribution and marketing costs which have not declined. LONG WAIT EXPECTED FOR ANY PRICE BOOST With the annual Brazilian winter season nearly over, coffee prices may face a further beating. ``The market could have even a more negative tone next week as the frost season in Brazil is nearly over,'' Prendergast stated. ``If history is going to repeat itself we could go to 42 cents,'' said Judy Ganes, executive director of news and information for InterCommercial Markets Corp., a Web site for the trading of green or unroasted coffee. Brazil is the world's largest producer of arabica coffee and accounts for about a third of the world's production. Though Brazil is at the tail end of its winter season, traders know the odds are diminishing for a frost or freeze to hurt the crop and boost prices. One senior commodity broker for a major brokerage house forecasts a low of 42 cents, a level not seen since the Black Frost of 1975 when a devastating freeze destroyed about half of the coffee trees in Brazil. biz.yahoo.com