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Politics : Sharks in the Septic Tank -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Neocon who wrote (15080)	5/31/2001 12:00:17 PM
From: thames_sider	Read Replies (8) \| Respond to of 82486

I know, I know - but these folk-loric stories must be rooted in fact, yes? And of course there are multiple historical attestations of at least part of the Arthur myth. Maybe I should have chosen Robin Hood... that's truly contemporaneous <g> Only problem is I can't think of any especially startling claims in it. The analyses I could find - from either side - seemed not to claim Talmudic backing. There were references to Jesus - but this was a common name. There were references to Christs (plural) - but this was a Messianic title. There were not references to a 'Jesus Christ' claiming to be the son of God and walking the earth performing miracles... and I think it pretty unlikely that so startling a being would be completely ignored... The reasons for claiming interpolation in Josephus seem on both epistemological and historical grounds to be very strong - most of all, if such references were available to early Christians of undoubted existence (Origen being the prime candidate), why did they never use or even refer to them when trying to prove this very point? They had Josephus. Hence, they didn't have references to Jesus Christ in Josephus. As for crucifixion, one link in particular pointed out the flaws in this ever having occurred... if you can find Solon's post, I'll recall it but I didn't bookmark it (I think it was one of the Talmudic analyses). Another pointed out the fascinating fact that the earliest iconography depicts not a man on the cross, but a lamb, a true ritual sacrifice befitting a mystery cult... which is gradually transposed to a man, over succeeding centuries.