To: Solon who wrote (15143 ) 5/31/2001 6:30:05 PM From: one_less Respond to of 82486 "However, this is just a story hijacked by the Hebrews and revealing their distant Mesopotamian origins." Well I don't believe the Bible is an accurate portrayal so you are preaching to the choir here. I do believe it is based in truth but that the story tellers have added to and taken away much from the religious basics. I spoke to an Egyptian Muslim about Moses. They have an interesting twist to the tale. The story about the baby in the basket is in tact. Who were these people Moses led out of Egypt, however. There is no proof or even strong evidence that they were all direct decendents of Abraham. The Egyptians say that the word used in the ancient texts for these people means "The ones who passed over" (the Red Sea). The Egyptian records simply say that there were two types of people, Pharonic people and slaves. No one knows what happened to the Pharonic people. Moses was a messenger who spread the message about God. Many believed and followed Moses. Those that did were called by this name and became the modern Jews. "If you would accept that Moses was doing God's will. Why would you not accept that, say,any modern person was doing so? Well, this is not supported by the Biblical stories but I believe that any messenger of God must be a sinless example. Not sinning does not equal perfection. Jesus had needs, he hungered and thirsted, slept, fasted, prayed, etc. Messengers can be mistaken about stuff, they are not born as all knowing creatures; which is why they pray and receive messages to pass on to believers. There are professies that fortell the coming of such messengers and when they are identified they must be an authentic match to the professy, as well as, maintain the character that would model the way of righteousness for followers of the message. There are other tests and I am not a scholar on this but that is a good start as to why I don't buy into say televangelists. We all kind of know by our human nature what represents the "good" and the "bad" of the human condition. Scripture says it is written across our hearts. The message of a messenger should support what is obvious and common sense to us all as written across our hearts. In addition, the messenger must be a representative of the right life. Believers usually more than the word, they need an example. A very important aspect is that the messenger takes no credit for the message. I do not worship the messenger I worship God. The message doesn't contradict previous (moral) messages from God. God has sent particular (amoral) directives to people about what to do in a particular time or situation that was intended just for those people in that time and situation. These things had nothing to do with other people at other times and would not be understood if they tried to apply them or make sense out of them for their own lives. I don't think the historical recollections are even accurate about these. I suspect this is a lot of what you struggle with.