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To: Solon who wrote (15150)	5/31/2001 5:53:16 PM
From: Neocon	Respond to of 82486

Perfectly reasonable. I will address it more fully later, though, as I must wrap things up.....

To: Solon who wrote (15150)	6/1/2001 1:06:31 AM
From: Neocon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

Ideas are always subject to challenge. That is not a problem. The problem is one of inspecting all aspects of a question considerately. I do not mean that we are all in a state of suspense, or have to refrain from advocacy. I just mean that there is a large difference between trying to put people in their place, and putting ideas to the test, including one's own. How we evaluate truth claims in varying circumstances is a rather complicated topic. It is slothful to say that differences of opinion mean that no one has the truth. Perhaps someone does. The main way of deciding is to see the congruence of the truth- claims with what we think we know. Additionally, one wants to see how it all hangs together, and to contemplate practical ramifications. Those who are greedy or lust for power may very well wreak havoc, if they see violence as the means to get what they want. It does not take believing much of anything to cause trouble. On the other hand, certain beliefs may civilize better than others. History is a complex affair, and disentangling the strands is not always easy. I am not so certain as you of the lessons to be drawn.....

To: Solon who wrote (15150)	6/1/2001 11:14:03 AM
From: average joe	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

"I don't believe the unknowable is knowable." Einstein and Spinoza would both disagree with your statement. Einstein said the most unusual aspect of the universe is how knowable it is. A famous physicist once said the universe would be knowable even if we lived on a world with total cloud cover provided we had some basic laws of physics at hand. We know that your group has no imagination and does not trust it's subjective senses. "Duh Island" is really a step in your evolution back down the tree. You are simply not prepared to evolve further and must go back. "Those humble in what they know are not the ones responsible for the insane genocide that has tortured our world since way before Moses." Hitler was humble in his truth and had the tacit approval of an entire nation. Each of us, a cell of awareness, imperfect and incomplete. Genetic blends, with uncertain ends, on a fortune hunt far too fleet