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Politics : Sharks in the Septic Tank -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Neocon who wrote (15210)	6/1/2001 1:34:26 PM
From: Lane3	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

I guess I did not speak clearly enough. Oh, you spoke clearly enough. I just couldn't pass up the opportunity to have some fun. As I've said before, please free to apply the atheist label to me if you like. I don't mind. I only switched just recently based on discussions on these threads and a definition of agnostic that included both don't-know and don't-care. I thought the don't-care description best fit my beliefs although it's a hair split. Atheist has been given an antagonistic spin and I don't feel antagonism towards the concept of god. X would probably have something else to say, but she won't have seen your comments or mine. Karen

To: Neocon who wrote (15210)	6/1/2001 1:34:49 PM
From: one_less	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

Dangerous waters maybe but I thought it might be useful to try to get a consensus on what qualifies as an agnostic point of view. I can think of a couple of possibilities: 1) Like standing on the razors edge. If the weight of conviction on either side would tip even slightly, I would fall in that camp (belief vs non-belief) 2) A continuum of agnosticism. On one extreme of agnosticism, you could have huge amounts of evidence that blocks you from belief but you just aren't sure enough to say with absolute conviction that the thing is definitely not true. Or, on the other extreme end, there could be just one little hold up. You see how most of the stuff is likely true. However, you are just not convinced enough to take a stand on the thing being true. If you use this scenario X and Karen are way over next to the atheism end but not able to declare themselves atheists with absolute conviction.