To: Victor Lazlo who wrote (125919 ) 6/3/2001 11:06:39 PM From: craig crawford Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 164687 >> Craig, the vast majority of mainland Chinese are desparatly poor << so what's your point. once poor always destined to be poor? As recently as 1965 South Korea was poorer than North Korea—as well as the poorer countries of Africa and Asia. Today South Korea is one of the 20 richest countries in the world, an astonishing achievement over a mere three decades. Its GDP per capita is eight times India’s, 15 times North Korea’s, and already even with the lesser economies of the European Union. >> And the major goal of the Chinese govt is to oppress their people and suck resources out of them to enrich the dictators at the top. << well I would prefer to get my views on china from someone who actually spent some time there recently.The western press wants to make much of the lack of human rights in China, but in 8,000 kilometers of travel we were stopped only a couple of times at checkpoints, whereas as we crossed the Stans—our fast allies—we were stopped scores and scores of times by heavy-handed police. Here in China everyone is too busy making money to poke his nose into anyone else’s business. Today China is all construction, markets, and factories. Looking east from our hotel room in Nanjing, the old southern capital, we counted twelve separate cranes working at skyscraper sites, not that there was any shortage of skyscrapers. Everywhere the Chinese are feverishly building highways, houses, shops, and factories. Many of the roads are as good as the Autobahn – and much of all this has been built by hand, just as were the Grand Canal and the Great Wall a couple thousand years ago. Along all the roads in every town and village we found constant activity, bustling markets, Chinese eagerly working, buying and selling at every turn, and an astonishing array of new consumer goods—bicycles, radios, trucks, cars, TVs, clothes—made by both foreign and domestic manufacturers. You name the consumer good, and the Chinese are buying and selling it. China is by far the most dynamic country we’ve encountered, making the boomtimes in Ireland and Turkey pale in comparison.