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To: thames_sider who wrote (15363)	6/4/2001 10:53:37 AM
From: Neocon	Respond to of 82486

I am baffled by the inferences here. Paul was not writing a gospel narrative, but dealing with particular issues confronting various diocese, and affirming the central matter of Christianity, which is vicarious atonement through the Crucifixion, and the Resurrection itself as a sign of the triumph over death. He would not deal with the original Apostles unless he had knowledge of the Jesus narrative. I'll look over the links later, but if they are as thin as the argument posted, I doubt I will be impressed......

To: thames_sider who wrote (15363)	6/4/2001 1:01:22 PM
From: Greg or e	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

This is from the same writer whom you claim viewed the Logos (WORD) as an unhistorical figure. You're just plain wrong. Have you actually read the Bible? Or do you just repeat what others have told you about it? What Was Heard, Seen, and Touched 1st John 1: 1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, concerning the Word of life-- 2the life was manifested, and we have seen, and bear witness, and declare to you that eternal life which was with the Father and was manifested to us-- 3that which we have seen and heard we declare to you, that you also may have fellowship with us; and truly our fellowship is with the Father and with His Son Jesus Christ. 4And these things we write to you that your joy may be full. 5 This is the message which we have heard from Him and declare to you, that God is light and in Him is no darkness at all. 6If we say that we have fellowship with Him, and walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth. 7But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin. 8If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us. If you had bothered to read the Gospel of John even a little further than the first few verses, you would have read the explicit claim that; "And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us..." The sources you quote do not have much in the way of scholarly credibility. If you won't accept the gospel accounts because of a supposed pro-Christian bias, why is it that you accept the work of people who clearly have an anti-Christian/supernatural bias, and a theological axe to grind?