Silicon Investor (SI) -- The First Internet Community

STOCKTALK

We've detected that you're using an ad content blocking browser plug-in or feature. Ads provide a critical source of revenue to the continued operation of Silicon Investor. We ask that you disable ad blocking while on Silicon Investor in the best interests of our community. If you are not using an ad blocker but are still receiving this message, make sure your browser's tracking protection is set to the 'standard' level.

Strategies & Market Trends : Steve's Channelling Thread -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Jdaasoc who wrote (17070)	6/4/2001 5:16:37 PM
From: Zeev Hed	Respond to of 30051

Of course Israeli Government screwed up royally a number of times, screwing up and having a policy of screwing up are different. I was actually in the US when that ship was attacked during the 67 war, the only information I had was from "Walter Cronkite", and he stated that the ship was in the wrong place at the wrong time. No big consolation to the families of the sailors lost. As for the cause of the Palestinian angst, it is the State of Israel itself, but frankly, without it, they would probably be part of the Hashemite Kingdom (as they were in the years 1950 to 1967). Now, they can do the best from what they consider a bad situation, and my point is that the sooner they do it the better they are. They could have done it in 1947 and today be a prosperous country just as Israel is, 50 years wasted. The current leadership is preparing them for another 50 years of misery, that is really my main point. There is only a small minority in Israel that really believes that Israel should span both sides of the Jordan, and once facts in the field (peace and cooperation between the two entities) this minority will be no more than our own various "milizia" here in the US, some fringe groups that need be controlled. By the way, none of us is "with nothing at stake", every time you allow terrorism to dictate the terms, you pay a dear price, not just Pan-Am 202, but bombing of the World Trade Center in New York, the failed attempt to smuggle a bomb through Canada last year, it was destined to be a special year 2000 present, and many other terrorist plots that were foiled. The fact that you have to pass extreme security measures at airports is one of the prices we all pay, we are all involved. If you accept these infringements on your freedom without anger, the state will make sure you accept further limitations on your freedom. Zeev Zeev

To: Jdaasoc who wrote (17070)	6/4/2001 5:45:25 PM
From: ajs	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 30051

However, it is hard to understand how continued expansion of Israeli settlements are going to lead to a favorable outcome to the difficult problems at hand. Can you tell me why the settlements are making the situation at hand more difficult? If we are going to have a real peace between Arabs and Jews, why can't Jews live in settlements that may come under a Palestinian state? Why should state of Palestine be a Yuden Rein (empty of any Jew)? Israel has many Arab citizens, why can't a Palestinian state have Jewish citizens? This is an excuse used by PA for the continuation of the current violence.

To: Jdaasoc who wrote (17070)	6/4/2001 5:47:32 PM
From: Zeev Hed	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 30051

John, I thought you might be interested in an erudite point of view from William Saphire: Excerpts from William Safire's article in today's New York Times, entitled: Arafat's Arsenal of Missiles . "In launching a war to drive the Jews from his Palestine, the Arabs' Arafat has come up with an impressive array of weaponry... But the pride and joy of Arafat's arsenal is a weapon of mass terror that has no known defense: the human missile. "The latest in a series of these, carried by a brainwashed suicide bomber, ripped apart a score of young Israelis last week. These were mainly Russian immigrant women of child-bearing age, a high-priority target for those in Baghdad, Damascus and Jericho who dream of militarily or demographically overwhelming the Jews. Because the human missile that massacred Tel Aviv teenagers so satisfied the lust for casualties, and because the incredible restraint of Ariel Sharon was about to snap, Arafat "condemned" this attack and told a visiting German diplomat he would join Sharon's self-imposed cease-fire "unconditionally." That means only that Arafat will not insist on the latest reward for violence recommended by the Mitchell commission, Bill Clinton's final vehicle for appeasement: cessation of construction in and around already-existing settlements. "Sharon had already pledged to build no new settlements, a concession not offered by Rabin or Barak, for which he got no credit. An unnatural "freeze" on the natural growth of existing Israeli settlements would be fair only with an equivalent restriction on the expansion of Arab villages in the disputed territories. Not in the cards. "Arafat's guilty promise of a cease-fire may stay Israel's avenging hand if he finally takes the steps necessary to stop his war. His word is worthless because he has long specialized in what the poet Milton called "a certain clandestine Hostility covered over with the name of Peace." "Arafat knows... where the human missiles are being programmed and armed. Such fanatic indoctrination takes time and isolation; it takes teachers of terror skilled in evoking visions of a martyrdom and requires recruits from vulnerably infuriated families who are known to other cells. The brainwashing is reinforced with official broadcasts of films of a dead boy beckoning potential suicide killers to join him in paradise... "Does anybody still believe that Yasir Arafat is out of the loop in all this? For years, doves have bought the illusion that he was a peacenik at heart who had to bring along the extremists of the "Arab street." Yet, when the moment of decision came at Camp David, he was the man in the street, demanding all or nothing. When nothing was what he got, he became a hero by launching a war. Because his terrorists are ecstatic at their famous victory over the Russian immigrant youths in Tel Aviv, and because his European allies are a little embarrassed by his bloodletting, Arafat will lower the level of violence - for a while..."