To: one_less who wrote (15443 ) 6/4/2001 9:38:30 PM From: epicure Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 82486 People are stupid and cruel and frequently blind. All people are like that. Of course some people (usually desperate people) can be more stupid and more blind than most. When I think of how the Kurds have been persecuted in Iraq I am very sad. Just as I am sad for the people of Bagdad. I hope you weep for the Kurdish people who have been eliminated by the Iraqis. When a country makes the choice to invade it's neighbors, it takes a risk that it will get thumped. Of course just existing sometimes can get you thumped. If you really want to weep for innocents- weep for the former residents of Tibet. They didn't invade any neighbors. They didn't rattle any sabers. They just happened to exist next to China. Weep for them before you weep for anyone else. In the hierarchy of victimhood they should have priority status- and no one did diddly squat. What is so hard to understand there? "Right" doesn't exist in politics. Not for "Muslims", not for "Christians" not for "other". Power and acquisition are the rule, and are all that is really important. Values? Piffle, in the face of greed and power. We (humans) cloak our wars in sanctimonious clap trap, and change our rhetoric to suit our purposes. We are creatures of expediency, no matter what religion and no matter what race. If push comes to shove we will kill anyone, or stand by and let anyone be killed, if we see that as being in our interest. I say "our" in terms of countries. There are altruistic individuals- but no altruistic countries (imo). We (humans) can say we are religious and some how made "better" by our religions, but we don't act like it. We are killers. We are animals. We are hunters. That's fine with me. That's why laws are my friend. Keep the animal in check by letting it know the rules. And hope the rules hold. When the rules don't hold, the animal is loose and you get Rwanda, Bosnia, or the genocide of your choice. Know this and move on.