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Politics : Sharks in the Septic Tank -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Neocon who wrote (15624)	6/5/2001 3:23:00 PM
From: one_less	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

victimhood A Chicago woman deserves special notice for the way she recently defended herself against charges of wire fraud. She was originally accused of submitting false expense accounts to her employer totaling $244,061 over a three-year period. Leaving aside the issue of how someone can run up that kind of tab, her excuse for the fraud was that "depression" caused her to go on multiple shopping sprees. Shop she did, running up bills averaging $7,500 a month. Mostly she bought expensive jewelry and clothing, but hid most of these purchases from her husband out of an apparent sense of guilt. Periodically she sold the ill-gotten goods at steep discounts to pawnbrokers and resale shops. When the remorse lifted, she went shopping again. The federal judge who heard the case declined to send the woman to prison for what would have been a maximum 18-month sentence and instead ordered five years of probation and community service. He reasoned that prison would interrupt the psychiatric counseling she is receiving. The judge said he was convinced that "the driving force" behind her crime was "chronic depression." The ruling recalls a number of other imaginative defenses, especially the so-called Twinkie Defense, in which the accused claimed an affection for the confection made him do it. Or there is the infamous, if perhaps apocryphal, tale of the young man who killed his parents and then pleaded for sympathy on the grounds that he was an orphan. <Cut and pasted from a Denver Post Editorial.>

To: Neocon who wrote (15624)	6/5/2001 3:41:32 PM
From: Greg or e	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 82486

Wellcome to the free market of ideas! No it's not your fault Neo. It's just that those to the, how shall we say, Left of the spectrum, are always going on about tolerance and such, but as it turns out, that only counts if you agree with them. Once identified as intolerant (won't agree with them) it then becomes fair game for them to exhibit an equal, or even greater amount of intolerance, in order to clean up the streets for our wives and of course, the children. You must not be allowed to corrupt their simple minds with your pernicious "VALUES". Like telling them that God exists or that certain things are wrong morally. Of course, all this purging, is done in the name of tolerance. For the children you know. Karen fancies herself to be somehow above all that, but as you pointed out, Acquiescence equals acceptance and approval. Of course with Karen, much to her credit, at least you get the impression that she listens to, and attempts to understand the opposing view. Unfortunately, I get the impression that she and X are simply doing the "good cop/ bad cop", thing on us. Not that you and I are some sort of team or anything. I know we disagree about many things, but we probably share some base assumptions as well. Anyway, I enjoy reading your perspective on things, If I disagree there's no need to get personal. On that, Karen and I are in agreement, only she's better at it than I am. Lots of other people will pick a fight just so they can dismiss what you have to say, without addressing it directly. I guess that's why it says no gloves. Apparently this thread was formed unmoderated for a reason. That way no one can push the button on you just because they disagree with you. This is at the same time, the threads greatest strength and it's source of greatest frustration. Greg