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To: foundation who wrote (11366)	6/6/2001 12:55:33 PM
From: mightylakers	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 196692

As a matter of fact, I remember I watched a Samsung session on CDG about a month ago, saying the average speed is about 100k or so. gritty determination to defend 3GPP technologies at every turn That's Eric, just like he thought 76ers stand a chance<ggg> As for your question about power usage in WCDMA. There are a lot of factors. It needs more fingers in rake receivers due to wider bandwidth. It has more overhead for signaling due to its async nature. And as you already know it is more complex and power eating in their handoffs. Keep in mind, handoff doesn't just happen when it actually happens, but also a lot going on when it is not happening because it needs to monitor multiple pilots in order to get prepared for the handoff, and since those pilots are not time syncd so it is far more complex than the sync mode therefore lead to degradation of the performance and more power usages. Gotta run. You two keep on the good fight<ggg>

To: foundation who wrote (11366)	6/6/2001 1:49:24 PM
From: carranza2	Respond to of 196692

Ben, Eric's question was a reasonable one. The link you posted does not suggest average speeds, though VOD clearly requires a fast connection. You might be right, and Eric might be wrong, but that doesn't excuse a breach of civility to a valuable poster. Eric is not tiresome. He is extremely knowledgeable, a long time industry insider, and a Q bull. Don't expect him to take the company line as he does his own meticulous research and reaches independent conclusions which I think merit consideration by all Q investors. Having someone who ocassionally serves up a dose of skepticism is not a bad thing, otherwise we could all be seduced into the trap of becoming mindless zombies. Your tirade against a valuable poster was unwarranted, especially on this forum.

To: foundation who wrote (11366)	6/6/2001 2:04:32 PM
From: Eric L	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 196692

Ben, << Or --- what's your thesis? You simply grow tiresome. >> My tiresome nature aside ... are you able to answer my question? The question was not rhetorical, and it is something I am very interested in, as I'm sure several others on this thread are. I don't have an answer. I thought you might. I've seen some press reports (not out of Korea) stating 20 kbps, 30 kbps, 40 kbps, 50 kbps, but nothing to back it up, You just stated that "it's interesting that NTT has declined to report average speeds" and followed with the statement, "I'll wager that if speeds were good, we'd damn sure hear about it. <g>". Is it not fair to paraphrase that and say, "it's interesting that SKT has declined to report average speeds" and one might then followed with the statement, "If speeds were good, we'd damn sure hear about it ... wouldn't we"? << Why not read a little Seybold? >> I read it. It does not answer the question. If you don't mind, I'll repeat the question: "Have you seen any report where SKT has reported typical average speeds of 1xRTT which "commercially launched" in Seoul 7.5 months ago?" Samsung used the number 105 kbps as "throughput" in their Digevent presentation. I did not necessarily come away with a warm and fuzzy that they were describing the typical average user rate of 1xRTT as was deployed with in Korea with 45,000 subscribers at that time the presentation was made. Now if you have something reasonably definitive I'd appreciate your sharing it. I don't. << Well, gosh, Eric, must be fast enough for multimedia services including VOD. Even with the 5000 chipset ... "SK Telecom, for the first time in the world, launches multimedia services, including video on demand (VOD)..." >> Gosh yourself, that is very positive, Ben, but it does not answer the question I asked. They intended to have those handsets in the shop by Xmas (backed up by PacketVideo server software) and 5 months later it appears. Samsung handsets have been launched more than once already. Perhaps we will have the same duration before DoCoMo delivers VOD using packet data. That would be about the same time frame as handsets based on the MSM5100 start appearing in quantity, but at that time 1xRTT will, of course, be in considerably wider deployment in Korea than WCDMA in Japan. The only difference between where DoCoMo is today and where SKT was on October 6, 2000 is that DoCoMo has about 2,500 handsets deployed. Back on October 6 it appears that only a handful of the SKY 2300 handsets out of the initial 20,000 promised were in shops, much less users hands. DoCoMo's initial service for Video uses 64 kbps circuit switched data. SUPPOSEDLY, however, their introductory 3G i-mode service uses 384 kbps packet. There is a contradiction here between what DoCoMo claiming, and what CDG is stating (and what the very interesting Ovum whitepaper linked here is stating). It will be interesting to see how that one flops. Which one do you think is accurate? - Eric -