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To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (151385)6/7/2001 11:16:01 AM
From: willcousa  Respond to of 769670
 
Just because someone requests a report and that report turns out to be a fraud they are responsible? I think I see why you are having trouble with global warming.



To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (151385)6/7/2001 11:16:28 AM
From: jlallen  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 769670
 
Ken, hold on a second. The report was prepared by the NAS not the Bush Administration. If its a fraud, its fraud by NAS, wouldn't you agree??

JLA



To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (151385)6/7/2001 1:08:09 PM
From: DMaA  Respond to of 769670
 
Today, radical environmentalists will be celebrating. The U.S. National Academy of Science (a somewhat devalued title by now) has just released a report by a selected committee of climatologists who were commissioned by President Bush to provide an independent U.S. assessment of the current state of climate science.

While many in the climate community hoped for a more balanced or critical approach to the IPCC, the National Assessment, and an earlier report by an NAS panel on the surface-satellite conflict, all we got today was a 100% endorsement of the IPCC and its processes, including the infamous `Summary for Policymakers', full endorsement for the discredited `National Assessment' (which even most climatologists could not stomach), and full endorsement for the earlier NAS report on surface-satellite temperatures conflict.

This report contained no new science, no new evidence, and most critically - it did not address in any detail a single point of contention raised by global warming sceptics. Specific problems with this latest report are - (quotes in red)

"Temperatures are in fact rising" - Only according to the surface record, mostly from third world instruments. The satellite record shows little or no warming, and the surface record from the U.S. shows a climate today little different to what it was 70 years ago. This remark confirmed the committee's support for the surface record - no reason given.

"There is general agreement that the observed warming is real and particularly strong within the past twenty years." With this remark, the committee have clearly rejected the satellite temperature record outright, with not a single reason offered. Because the satellites show no strong warming `within the past twenty years', the committee clearly have given 100% blessing to the disputed surface record - without so much as a reason to justify that choice.

"The committee generally agrees with the assessment of human-caused climate change presented in the IPCC Working Group I (WG1) scientific report." - So they toss the ball back into the IPCC court, choosing not to raise a single point of criticism of that over-politicised UN body. This is hardly surprising as several committee members were themselves involved in the IPCC process.

"The committee finds that the full IPCC Working Group I (WG 1) report is an admirable summary of research activities in climate science, and the full report is adequately summarized in the Technical Summary." The IPCC summary was also highly selective, choosing to summarise only those research activities which reinforced the IPCC mindset. That this NAS committee should find it so admirable clearly establishes them as ideologically pro-IPCC with no scientific justification offered. They gave no reasons for the selectivity exercised by IPCC reviewers, accepting some research studies, but ignoring others.

"After analysis, the committee finds that the conclusions presented in the SPM and the Technical Summary (TS) are consistent with the main body of the report." - Again no discussion of the numerous points of difference between the two IPCC documents raised many times by sceptics. The SPM and TS are clearly incompatible in many respects, but the committee again resorts to endorsement without justification.

On sulfate aerosols, whose effects are highly disputed - "The monitoring of aerosol properties has not been adequate to yield accurate knowledge of the aerosol climate influence." This is an admission that little is known about these aerosols, but the committee did not proceed to find any fault with models which use those aerosols to prevent the models from over-heating their virtual earths beyond existing real climate. Those aerosols are used in the models like an accountants `balancing item' in a balance sheet, and are assumed to be real only in order to keep the models in some kind of agreement with current climate. The committee should have been more detailed on this issue, given their admission that little is known about the effect of aerosols in the real world.

On solar forcing, the direct effect of which the committee claims to be small (+0.3 w/m2), they dismiss the well published secondary feedback effects of solar forcing - "Numerous possible indirect forcings associated with solar variability have been suggested. However, only one of these, ozone changes induced by solar UV irradiance variations, has convincing observational support." With these dismissive words, the entire body of published and peer-reviewed solar science built up over the last ten years is thrown out - without so much as an explanation.

On the `National Assessment' - "The U.S. National Assessment of Climate Change Impacts, augmented by a recent NRC report on climate and health, provides a basis for summarizing the potential consequences of climate change." The National Assessment has been one of the most criticised climate documents of recent times. It was attacked not merely by global warming sceptics, but also by scientists normally sympathetic to the IPCC and the global warming scenario. It was a manifestly political and alarmist document and exceeded even the alarmism normally associated with radical environmental groups. But this NAS committee endorses the National Assessment. More shame to them for doing so.

On the delicate issue as to why the satellites and surface do not agree as to recent warming trends - "The finding that surface and troposphere temperature trends have been different as observed over intervals as long as a decade or two is difficult to reconcile with our current understanding of the processes that control the vertical distribution of temperature in the atmosphere." With these mealy-mouthed words, the committee put themselves squarely in the business of pseudo-science, not science. Having admitted they could not understand why the satellites measuring the free atmosphere were producing a different trend to the surface record, this lack of understanding did not compel them to question the validity of the models which depend critically on an assumption that an enhanced greenhouse must warm the troposphere first, before the surface warms. What has been observed is quite the reverse. From this, it requires no great leap of thinking to conclude that either the models are working to a completely false premise, or else the surface record itself is wrong, or both. Either way, having endorsed the models without explanation, and having endorsed the surface record again without explanation, they could only pass off this fundamental conflict with the inane and worthless comment given above.

In conclusion, the NAS committee made many assertions, none of which they chose to justify or explain other than to state it was `their view' - as if their mere authority as representing the National Academy of Science were enough to prevail in the argument.

Well it isn't. The days when mere `authority' could win an argument or debate are long gone. Such deference is
more characteristic of a medieval priesthood, not a modern science where every important claim must be justified and explained. Only evidence counts in this modern world, and this committee have provided none, merely re-stated what has already been stated in politically contaminated documents by the IPCC and National Assessment.

For that reason, the National Academy of `Science' hardly deserve their name any more.

john-daly.com



To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (151385)6/12/2001 8:10:46 AM
From: DMaA  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 769670
 
The fraud was that the National Academy of Sciences report SUPPORTED Kyoto. As usual, Big Media, (and you) got it completely wrong:The Press Gets It Wrong:

Our report doesn't support the Kyoto treaty.

BY RICHARD S. LINDZEN
Monday, June 11, 2001 12:01 a.m. EDT

Last week the National Academy of Sciences released a
report on climate change, prepared in response to a request
from the White House, that was depicted in the press as an
implicit endorsement of the Kyoto Protocol. CNN's Michelle
Mitchell was typical of the coverage when she declared that
the report represented "a unanimous decision that global
warming is real, is getting worse, and is due to man. There is
no wiggle room."

As one of 11 scientists who prepared the report, I can state
that this is simply untrue. For starters, the NAS never asks
that all participants agree to all elements of a report, but
rather that the report represent the span of views. This the
full report did, making clear that there is no consensus,
unanimous or otherwise, about long-term climate trends and
what causes them.

As usual, far too much public attention was paid to the
hastily prepared summary rather than to the body of the
report. The summary began with a zinger--that greenhouse
gases are accumulating in Earth's atmosphere as a result of
human activities, causing surface air temperatures and
subsurface ocean temperatures to rise, etc., before following
with the necessary qualifications. For example, the full text
noted that 20 years was too short a period for estimating
long-term trends, but the summary forgot to mention this.

Our primary conclusion was that despite some knowledge and
agreement, the science is by no means settled. We are quite
confident (1) that global mean temperature is about 0.5
degrees Celsius higher than it was a century ago; (2) that
atmospheric levels of carbon dioxide have risen over the past
two centuries; and (3) that carbon dioxide is a greenhouse
gas whose increase is likely to warm the earth (one of many,
the most important being water vapor and clouds).

But--and I cannot stress this enough--we are not in a
position to confidently attribute past climate change to
carbon dioxide or to forecast what the climate will be in the
future. That is to say, contrary to media impressions,
agreement with the three basic statements tells us almost
nothing relevant to policy discussions.



One reason for this uncertainty is that, as the report states,
the climate is always changing; change is the norm. Two
centuries ago, much of the Northern Hemisphere was
emerging from a little ice age. A millennium ago, during the
Middle Ages, the same region was in a warm period. Thirty
years ago, we were concerned with global cooling.

Distinguishing the small recent changes in global mean
temperature from the natural variability, which is unknown, is
not a trivial task. All attempts so far make the assumption
that existing computer climate models simulate natural
variability, but I doubt that anyone really believes this
assumption.

We simply do not know what relation, if any, exists between
global climate changes and water vapor, clouds, storms,
hurricanes, and other factors, including regional climate
changes, which are generally much larger than global
changes and not correlated with them. Nor do we know how
to predict changes in greenhouse gases. This is because we
cannot forecast economic and technological change over the
next century, and also because there are many man-made
substances whose properties and levels are not well known,
but which could be comparable in importance to carbon
dioxide.

What we do is know that a doubling of carbon dioxide by
itself would produce only a modest temperature increase of
one degree Celsius. Larger projected increases depend on
"amplification" of the carbon dioxide by more important, but
poorly modeled, greenhouse gases, clouds and water vapor.



The press has frequently tied the existence of climate
change to a need for Kyoto. The NAS panel did not address
this question. My own view, consistent with the panel's work,
is that the Kyoto Protocol would not result in a substantial
reduction in global warming. Given the difficulties in
significantly limiting levels of atmospheric carbon dioxide, a
more effective policy might well focus on other greenhouse
substances whose potential for reducing global warming in a
short time may be greater.

The panel was finally asked to evaluate the work of the
United Nations' Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change,
focusing on the Summary for Policymakers, the only part ever
read or quoted. The Summary for Policymakers, which is seen
as endorsing Kyoto, is commonly presented as the consensus
of thousands of the world's foremost climate scientists.
Within the confines of professional courtesy, the NAS panel
essentially concluded that the IPCC's Summary for
Policymakers does not provide suitable guidance for the U.S.
government.

The full IPCC report is an admirable description of research
activities in climate science, but it is not specifically directed
at policy. The Summary for Policymakers is, but it is also a
very different document. It represents a consensus of
government representatives (many of whom are also their
nations' Kyoto representatives), rather than of scientists.
The resulting document has a strong tendency to disguise
uncertainty, and conjures up some scary scenarios for which
there is no evidence.

Science, in the public arena, is commonly used as a source of
authority with which to bludgeon political opponents and
propagandize uninformed citizens. This is what has been done
with both the reports of the IPCC and the NAS. It is a
reprehensible practice that corrodes our ability to make
rational decisions. A fairer view of the science will show that
there is still a vast amount of uncertainty--far more than
advocates of Kyoto would like to acknowledge--and that the
NAS report has hardly ended the debate. Nor was it meant
to.

Mr. Lindzen, a professor of meteorology at MIT, was a
member of the National Academy of Sciences panel on
climate change.

opinionjournal.com