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To: Apollo who wrote (14851)	6/8/2001 10:58:00 AM
From: Dr. Id	Respond to of 22706

but what does that have to do with my contention that he's one of the best scorers since 1980? <?i> Hey Doctor Italics! Hope you're more careful in the operating room. Dr.Id@DoctorOops.com

To: Apollo who wrote (14851)	6/8/2001 11:10:27 AM
From: FaultLine	Respond to of 22706

and see how many times he goes ping ponging off of everyone, and careening out of bounds... but you must admit, ethan does do it with style... --cfl

To: Apollo who wrote (14851)	6/8/2001 11:14:57 AM
From: Dr. Id	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 22706

What annoys me about Iverson is that his flops are more in quantity and more exaggerated than other superstars. That's based on watching a lot of the televised 76er games this year. So let's see. Let's watch the games of this series, and everybody watch Iverson and see how many times he goes ping ponging off of everyone, and careening out of bounds....and ask yourself if it seems a little exaggerated given the contact. ca Do you think that Iverson's weighing about 150 pounds might have to do with his ping ponging off of everyone? Dr.Id@Iwouldflopalotfartherifoneofthoseguysbumpedintome.com

To: Apollo who wrote (14851)	6/8/2001 12:51:44 PM
From: EnricoPalazzo	Respond to of 22706

what does that have to do with my contention that he's one of the best scorers since 1980?<?i> That wasn't your contention. Your contention was that Iverson was "one of only three truly great scorers in the last two decades". Big difference between one of the best and one of three. pardon. Let me add a word: "As for the rest of what you wrote, that Allen doesn't yet have a complete game, that he's more physical than mental, that there were great scorers before '81, um... yeah, but what does that have to do with my contention that he's one of the three best scorers since 1980?" I haven't watched much of Ray Allen, until the Eastern Conference finals. In that series, he showed me he could create his own shot when he wants. Therefore, if he was on a team in which he was the sole scorer, I think he would get 40 looks, both on his own, and by design, just as Larry Brown has done for and with Iverson; in fact, just as Larry Brown did for and with Reggie Miller with Indiana back in the 90s. Obviously, we don't see this from Ray Allen, because he is a TEAM player, and his team has at least 2 other excellent scoring threats. Hmm... well I just checked and I didn't see any season in the nineties in which miller got more than 15.4 looks per game or 22.6 points (versus 25 and 31 for Iverson this year). I have to figure, if brown and miller could have found a way to get the 50% shooter ten more shots a game, they would have. The pacers (and the bucks) were at their best when they got tons of looks at the basket, but don't fool yourself into believing that they can do it at will. If they could have, the bucks would be playing the lakers right now. Being a team player is about helping your team to win, not necessarily in helping your teammates to score. Besides, Iverson & Allen each have 4.6 assists per game.