To: Raymond Duray who wrote (20387 ) 6/8/2001 2:00:23 PM From: mr.mark Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 110653 so ray i understand where you're going with this, and i sympathize with folks who are frustrated by it all. and it appears to be even more all-encompassing than your post would indicate...."never open... anything at all from a less than fully accredited source" isn't airtight. lots of malicious code, trojans, viruses, etc. invade users mailboxes and send themselves off to everyone in that user's address book. the result is that you, much like former joe on this thread a few days ago, receive a perfectly fine looking email from what has up until that point been a fully accredited source (your friend), but without av software, you are about to be had bad."never go to anything other than commercial websites" isn't airtight. hackers home in on these sites all the time and create mirror sites and redirects and plant embedded code that will attempt to load trojans on your hard drive. and so you ask, "I don't want to spend endless hours futzing. How can that be achieved?" ... great question. i suppose that the answer is, get good at it so it's not futzing. decide what security steps are right for you (i just posted a fred langa piece the other day that discussed the underkill/overkill aspects of pc security). make security a part of your routine. find a thread (ahem cough) where people come together to share ideas and knowledge so that you might keep yourself current and productive. see if an attitude adjustment is called for. your use of the term naval-gazing seems to say that you have a less than high opinion of computer-related subjects. granted, people feel differently about technology, and some are more interested in it than others, but if you use a car, you also have to maintain it... and i think that the pc as a vehicle of transportation is a good analogy. until and unless this all gets less complex, what choices are we left with but to wade through the morass and strive for efficiency? <g3> and finally, there has to be a point within all of us where we say, "that's it, i've done enough" , and to heck with all the upgrades and installs and fixes and versions and warnings. it will never end. so we all have to pick a spot where we decide to climb off of the treadmill for a spell. but for those of us who are drawn to this stuff... who are intrigued by the very act of keeping these contrary machines running smoothly... well, i suppose it becomes like fishing or putting jigsaw puzzles together. it's just plain fun. :) mark