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To: hdl who wrote (107760)6/8/2001 6:03:15 PM
From: benwood  Respond to of 436258
 
You can always look at food and clothing handouts from the government's or the parents' point-of-view. However, as a parent, I look at things from the children's p.o.v. I believe children deserve decent meals, clothing, health care, and education, among other things. I believe in educating parents, and where the parents need help, or are beyond help, stepping in to support the kids.

It would be quite a utopia for all parents to be competent and provide just what their kids need. But since we don't live in the dream world, I will push for the kids to get a fair shake and support them in breaking the chains of abuse, unemployability, undereducation, or whatever it is that's holding back their parents.



To: hdl who wrote (107760)6/9/2001 1:53:08 PM
From: Skeeter Bug  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 436258
 
>>skeeter, i didn't know u were a friend of B.<<

'cause i'm not. i must admit that the above statement represent the musings of a simple mind - a mind that can only hold 2 or 3 mental constructs in total. i have news for you, your simple mental constructs of how life works leads to erroneous conclusions like the one above.

i dislike bill clinton a lot. he is a punk.

>>we shouldn't have government i.e. taxpayers taking care of kids.<<

hdl, you strike me as the kind of person who works a pareto chart of problems from right to left ;-) business gets far more handouts than children do. work the pareto chart left to right - big issues first. most bang for the buck.

>>parents will do a better job.<<

i hope that "feel good" statement makes you feel good, b/c that is all it will do.

>>but, we shouldn't disincentivize them.<<

you mean by allowing some neighborhoods to become effective war zones? by providing inequal justice? by providing inferior schools?

>>kids shouldn't get free food, clothes, education, etc. - then many parents won't provide.<<

yep, and many parents will turn to crime, more crime victims will end up injured or dead and many kids will die for lack of food.

re: education - did you attend public school at any time? did you ever receive a subsidy for anything? did you pay them all back, in full, with interest? if the answer is no then i submit your moral fortitude lacks big. moral relativism states that different rules apply to oneself than to everyone else. live your life according to your beliefs. every day you don't reimburse all the subsidies you received throughout your life, you bring shame on yourself b/c you live in moral relativism. the worst kind. you feel you are worthy of subsidy but poor and needy children (through no fault of their own!) aren't. good gracious!

just like bill clinton.

>>we shouldn't make heroes of the uninsured. people should have insurance-not expect government to provide health care for free.<<

agreed. i'm not talking about cradle to grave communism. again, develop your mental constructs of the world and you will see beauty in its complexity.