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Politics : Sharks in the Septic Tank -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Neocon who wrote (16304)	6/9/2001 1:11:52 AM
From: Neocon	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 82486

The strongest argument for the death penalty is this: the state has a compact with its citizens, upon which basis private justice (vendetta) is foregone, and that is to use a reasonable resources to identify, apprehend, and appropriately punish the wrong- doer. If the state fails to satisfy the demands of justice as perceived by the ordinary citizen, faith in the judicial system is undermined, people feel freer to be scofflaws, and vigilantism is encouraged. Thus, whether to enforce the death penalty or not must reflect a reasonable degree of societal consensus.

To: Neocon who wrote (16304)	6/9/2001 3:50:35 AM
From: average joe	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

in being magnanimous to the criminal, reveals the degree of reverence in which it holds human life, and recoils from avoidable bloodshed. Modern society is uncomfortable with things our grandparents would have found normal. Such as slaughtering chickens, or birth and death. Normal life today is to have those things comfortably removed and numbed off. We isolate criminals and in many cases dying people for reasons of comfort. And if it gets too hot we fly in rampaging herds of crisis counselors. However, for this to work properly, it is necessary that it be admitted that the perpetrator of a heinous murder deserves death, and the society is acting mercifully in not demanding the full measure of justice. Additionally, it is pointless to make such a show if we continue with a liberal abortion regime, thus showing a contempt for innocent human life that is at variance with our magnanimity for the criminals. True, but the state does not decide who gets aborted. And sadly, standards for lawyers is at an all time low. Lawyering these days is just acting and chest pounding, knowing the law of course, but not knowing the difference between right and wrong. But knowing with exact certainty what can be got away with. Although an argument can be made for first term abortions, all others not involving medical emergency must be outlawed. If a woman murders her unborn offspring, what kind of mother would she have been? I agree it's murder, change the definition from abortion to murder and it would be clearer to some women and their doctors. Honesty in definitions could save lives.