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Politics : Sharks in the Septic Tank -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: The Philosopher who wrote (16374)	6/10/2001 6:24:18 PM
From: Lazarus_Long	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

Not me. I'm neither.

To: The Philosopher who wrote (16374)	6/10/2001 6:56:49 PM
From: Lane3	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

Would any of those here who are either Christians or death penalty opponents care to support the following? No. Would you? That's a really strange statement to make. Leaving McVeigh's judgment to God is not the same thing as embracing him. To embrace him, well, that's a bit much. McVeigh's being at peace doesn't mean that he's right with God. He's at peace because he has been true to his own twisted drummer. If McVeigh gets to go to heaven, there's something quite pointless about the whole heaven/hell construct. God sets a very low standard if "moving towards him is all that's required." Sounds to me like a pretty silly thing to say from a pulpit. Karen

To: The Philosopher who wrote (16374)	6/11/2001 2:37:11 AM
From: Solon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

I'm just sitting here listening to the old Bob Dylan: The answer is blowing in the wind, the times they are a changin, etc. It is Monday, and somehow, the harmonica and the morose guitar with the prophetic voice--somehow it all seems appropriate. It is Monday and life # 169 is on the way out. "He was praised for his loyalty, honesty and seriousness. And he was remembered as confident, mature beyond his years and an expert marksman." dallasnews.com But he was a child reading the wrong books and listening to the wrong people--and unlike the Waco's--he wasn't operating under orders. How could the Waco's have intentionally murdered the little innocents?? It wasn't self defense, was it? Of course it wasn't. And how could T. McVeigh have allowed the innocents to be destroyed in HIS act of revenge/justice?? He must have been a megalomaniac. He followed his reason; but without empathy and heart--his reason was insensible like a stone. They teach ethics in the military. They teach you to follow the orders of your superiors--without thought and without feeling. The problem with TM is that he kept the protocol of "justice", even when he had repudiated the hierarchy. In his mind, the Moral Authority of his government under God was renounced by their inititated killings of innocent people. After this, he followed his own orders. No, he wasn't following their orders anymore. He didn't only kill the killers, but he killed (as they had) the innocents. Would I want such a dangerous human being walking our streets? NO. To engage in war under your own orders is the ultimate evil. We all have our superiors whom are authorized to weigh the feather of life and death--usually by summarily shoving a bayonet through the gut. BUT, it is not a point that individuals are entitled to make--not unless they are operating under ORDERS. Because if you are operating under orders--it really doesn't matter how old the children are, does it?? TM may well be unfeeling--he may. He may well be sociopathic--he may. He is certainly a killer. And the scale of his "justice", and the lack of expressed remorse--this indicates a megalomaniacal personality. But if he had been killing children under orders, he may not have been facing execution--he may simply have been blown up on a street corner in Oklahoma. It is a funny old world. God, the world is funny. It is a great day to laugh--surely... Truly, we seem to be missing a great deal. The romans got to experience twice the thrill. They put them in the arena, AND they required them to hurt one another--until one or both were dead! PERFECT! You certainly can't get much more justice than that... I don't blame the victims, and those with a legitimate justification for hating TM--for celebrating today. It is the essence and meaning of "justice": you hurt me/us, then I/we will hurt you. This is the true meaning behind justice--whether it is a gang member promising death to someone while shaking the bars, or whether it is a gentleman in tweedsmuir, tapping his pipe in his library--and giving due consideration to what may or may not be reasonably considered to satisfy the just and fair regard and retributive content which ought to be considered in our treatment of others, taking especial care to refrain from any subjective or personal considerations as we search for reasons outside of ourselves to justify the latest social pronouncements of justice as we satify the hurt of the actual victims of a particular instance. It is Monday. It is a day to celebrate the goodness of society.