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To: Dan3 who wrote (43936)	6/12/2001 1:45:06 AM
From: milo_morai	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 275872

Dan, That was my point, I believe 1.8Ghz exists, but AMD is sitting tight till they need it. We've already seen data on Palomino cores up to 1.733Ghz M.

To: Dan3 who wrote (43936)	6/12/2001 1:49:39 AM
From: Paul Engel	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 275872

Re: "AMD will have a tough time keeping up with demand for 1.5GHZ parts" Sure, sure !! That's why the 1.4 Ghz AthWiper has dropped another $5 today to $194 - about a $120 drop in only ONE WEEK !! Must be due to a HUGE DEMAND !!!!

To: Dan3 who wrote (43936)	6/12/2001 1:58:28 AM
From: Paul Engel	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 275872

Looks like National forgot to support AMD with these new chips !!! newsalert.com June 11, 2001 08:01 National Introduces Family of Low Pin Count Server I/O Products Designed Specifically for Servers and Workstations Jump to first matched term Unique Chips Support Both the LPC Bus for Host Interface and the Serial SMBus For Embedded Controller Interface SANTA CLARA, Calif., June 11 /PRNewswire/ -- National Semiconductor Corporation (NYSE: NSM) today introduced a new addition to its industry-leading line of server I/O products, the Low Pin Count (LPC) PC8741x family. The family's four members, the PC87417, PC87416, PC87414, and PC87413, are designed to meet the I/O needs of the entire server and workstation market, including Intel-based multiprocessor server platforms. National's PC8741x was optimized in collaboration with both Intel and ServerWorks, a wholly owned subsidiary of Broadcom Corporation (Nasdaq: BRCM). ServerWorks, a leading independent supplier of high-performance SystemI/O(TM) integrated circuits for servers, recently announced its Grand Champion(TM) HE architecture. The 2-way and 4-way chipset from ServerWorks supports the Intel(R) Xeon(TM) processor. "Together, National's server I/O family and Grand Champion SystemI/O(TM) provide an excellent, high performance solution for 2-way and 4-way servers using Intel's newly announced Xeon(TM) processors," said David Dorrough, marketing manager for ServerWorks. "Intel-based server platforms demand extensive feature sets and cost effectiveness provided by products such as National Semiconductor's PC8741x," said Barry Kennedy, senior architect for Intel's Enterprise Platforms and Services Division. Features and Benefits The PC8741x family provides the world's first protected concurrent access from the LPC bus and a VSB powered SMBus to all internal modules and the X-Bus extension. The SMBus interface allows the Baseboard Management Controller (BMC) to perform configuration and share General Purpose I/O (GPIO) with the host. The server I/O provides an X-Bus bridge from the host interface to legacy ISA-based BMCs, for primary and alternate boot blocks, for host/BMC-shared memory, and for existing X-Bus devices that are not ported to LPC. The server I/O economically links the host(s) with the BMC saving glue logic for advanced protection schemes while masking serial IRQ and chip select. A VSB powered high frequency clock generator integrated into the server I/O for the BMC and its support logic lowers total system cost. The PC8741x family offers extensive, ACPI-compliant power management support. In addition, the PC8741x family enables extremely low current consumption in the battery back-up mode, allowing longer battery life. "National realized that servers and workstations have special requirements not met with standard Super I/O's," said Jonathan Levy, director of National's Advanced I/O Division. "The PC8741x family of server I/Os allows our partners and customers to realize functions not possible with other Super I/O solutions. It is the optimum I/O solution for LPC-based servers." Pricing and Availability The entire PC8741x family is available immediately in volume quantities. In 1,000 unit quantities, the full-feature PC87417 is priced at $8.75; the PC87416 without the ACCESS.Bus feature is priced at $7.75; the PC87414 without the ACCESS.Bus and X-Bus feature is priced at $7.50; and the PC87413 without the X-Bus feature is priced at $8.40. About National Semiconductor National Semiconductor is the premier analog company driving the information age. Combining real-world analog and state-of-the-art digital technology, the company is focused on the fast growing markets for wireless handsets; information appliances; information infrastructure; and display, imaging and human interface technologies. With headquarters in Santa Clara, California, National reported sales of $2.1 billion for its last fiscal year and has about 10,000 employees worldwide. Additional company and product information is available on the World Wide Web at www.national.com. NOTE: National is a registered trademark of National Semiconductor Corporation. All other brand or product names are trademarks or registered trademarks of their respective holders. MAKE YOUR OPINION COUNT - Click Here tbutton.prnewswire.com SOURCE National Semiconductor Corporation /NOTE TO EDITORS: To view a high-resolution downloadable photo of the Low Pin Count (LPC) PC8741x family, visit National's photo gallery at national.com /CONTACT: Gayle Bullock of National Semiconductor Corporation, 408-721-2033, or gayle.bullock@nsc.com/ /Web site: national.com (NSM BRCM)

To: Dan3 who wrote (43936)	6/12/2001 2:17:08 AM
From: Jim McMannis	Respond to of 275872

Near term, I think 1.8GHZ is total overkill, and AMD won't release it whether the parts are ready or not. But that's just my opinion, I could be wrong. I disaggree. If you got it flaunt it. AMD needs the Mhz... Jim

To: Dan3 who wrote (43936)	6/12/2001 10:39:26 PM
From: TimF	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 275872

That would be great, but since a 1.5GHZ Palamino is faster than a 2GHZ P4, AMD doesn't need it, and may well sit on it until Northwood is in volume. Unless it has 1,8ghz Palaminos only in pathetically low quantities then it doesn't make sense to sit on it, at least not to the extent of releasing nothing beyond 1.4ghz and no Palaminos beyond 1.2. Why not do a limited release , totally blow Intel away in just about every bench mark and sell these chips at a premium (and if they are very limited sell them at a high premium). If ASPs were good and rising or if AMD all ready dominated (not just beat but dominated) Intel in performance then maybe holding on to a higher bin speed might make business sense, I would not be surprised if Intel did this when AMD was uncompetitive but neither of those things are true right now. Tim