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Politics : PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Mr. Palau who wrote (153566)	6/15/2001 12:11:37 AM
From: greenspirit	Respond to of 769670

Bravo! I second that post!! :)

To: Mr. Palau who wrote (153566)	6/15/2001 12:12:39 AM
From: ManyMoose	Respond to of 769670

"I'm sorry, I sawed off the legs of the Periodic table, I did it, it was all my fault...I did many bad things and I am so sorry." (John S. Hall, Verses that Hurt, the poem Sorry) Let's go have a cool one.

To: Mr. Palau who wrote (153566)	6/15/2001 1:19:59 AM
From: Thomas A Watson	Respond to of 769670

Dear pal, I don't compare dems to hitler. I've posted several times that scientists and my opinion is that the life of a human starts at the instant of conception and those who just say that well no it's not human and thus can be murdered are using the same reasoning as Adolf Hilter used as part of his murder of Jews and others. I've have named this form of reasoning the Adolf Hitler Proffer. I see this very logical. From this logic I then say that any who have no problem with murdering children use the Hitler proffer to justify this. The platform of the democrat party uses the reasoning of the Hitler proffer to justify the murdering of children. I don't see this as name calling but as a presentation of an argument using words well within their common meaning to make clear to all a depraved obscenity. This is an issue about the murder of thousands every day, day after day. If you don't like it then refute the logic or offer you own beyond and doubt when life begins. So When does life begin? In 1981 (April 23-24) a Senate Judiciary Subcommittee held hearings on the very question before us here: When does human life begin? Appearing to speak on behalf of the scientific community was a group of internationally-known geneticists and biologists who had the same story to tell, namely, that human life begins at conception - and they told their story with a profound absence of opposing testimony. Dr. Micheline M. Mathews-Roth, Harvard medical School, gave confirming testimony, supported by references from over 20 embryology and other medical textbooks that human life began at conception. "Father of Modern Genetics" Dr. Jerome Lejeune told the lawmakers: "To accept the fact that after fertilization has taken place a new human has come into being is no longer a matter of taste or opinion ... it is plain experimental evidence." Dr. Hymie Gordon, Chairman, Department of Genetics at the Mayo Clinic, added: "By all the criteria of modern molecular biology, life is present from the moment of conception." Dr. McCarthy de Mere, medical doctor and law professor, University of Tennessee, testified: "The exact moment of the beginning of personhood and of the human body is at the moment of conception." Dr. Alfred Bongiovanni, University of Pennsylvania School of Medicine, concluded, "I am no more prepared to say that these early stages represent an incomplete human being than I would be to say that the child prior to the dramatic effects of puberty ... is not a human being." Dr. Richard V. Jaynes: "To say that the beginning of human life cannot be determined scientifically is utterly ridiculous." Dr. Landrum Shettles, sometimes called the "Father of In Vitro Fertilization" notes, "Conception confers life and makes that life one of a kind." And on the Supreme Court ruling _Roe v. Wade_, "To deny a truth [about when life begins] should not be made a basis for legalizing abortion." Professor Eugene Diamond: "...either the justices were fed a backwoods biology or they were pretending ignorance about a scientific certainty." tom watson tosiwmee