To: Ilaine who wrote (4994 ) 6/16/2001 12:58:29 AM From: Maurice Winn Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 74559 Okay, so much for the IQ in the plague theory, perhaps, but I suspect the data on just how many of which groups were got isn't very reliable. Most challenges preferentially get those not smart, well-placed and quick-witted. That's just how evolution works for humans. That's why humans have got smart, quick brains [to varying degrees]. <As for IQ and race - these topics have become so discredited that it cannot be the basis of polite general discussion. Once you have uttered a truism like higher IQ is a survival trait, what meaningful have you said, and what more can you say? > I don't think the topics are at all discredited. Since there are such big ranges of IQ [and everything else] in different groups of humans, it is not surprising that characteristics vary across various groups and outcomes across groups vary. If it's true that Japanese do have higher national average IQ than other nations, it's not surprising that they do better than others. Why should I get my nose in a knot because the average Japanese is more intelligent than the average European? Why should I care that there are millions of people smarter than me? I know that's true, so why should I get upset? I used to work in a sheltered workshop for mentally and physically handicapped people and they were happy. They knew they weren't going to be the next Albert Einstein, but that doesn't mean anyone needs to get upset. <Are you saying that all Jews are more intelligent than all Arabs? > Huh? How on earth could you conclude that from what I wrote? Anyone who gets that from what I wrote is obviously not in the high IQ part of the population. Because one group has a higher average than another, doesn't mean all members of the group are higher than the other group. I'm sure you understand that. They are overlapping normal distributions. <If not, what difference does it make? > If you are trying to understand why things happen, such as why is Japan's GNP per capita higher than everyone else's [almost], why their crime is lower, why different groups do better than other groups, it's not a bad idea to figure out the variables which might influence the outcome. If there are national differences, then the reasons for those differences can be investigated. That's how epidemiology works. "Hey, look at all those people over there getting leukaemia. Why the heck is that?" Then you check out the variables and find a correlation. Then figure out a mechanism to see if the correlation is due to causation or co-incidence. "Wow, look how well all those people do at school, earning a living, having happy, long lives! I wonder why that is? Well, what's different from one group to the other?" Maybe the groups not doing well just need a vitamin supplement. Maybe Japanese eat a lot of fish, but Europeans don't and should [when their mothers are pregnant or when they are very young] to get smarter. Maybe, as Jay Chen says, it just is. But maybe it's for another reason. If you have big groups of people doing badly, it's for a reason. Convenient cliches are not enough to answer the question. All the tax redistribution in the world seems not to make an iota of difference. But it does cripple the producers. Mqurice