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Politics : Sharks in the Septic Tank -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: TimF who wrote (17049)	6/18/2001 12:06:15 PM
From: 2MAR$	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

The problem is TW , the "Holy" Church has never had a credible coherent theology of SEX... All the talk of heaven and hell, virtue and vice and doing good works.... is so much la di da . A pagan society down thru the centuries would have evolved many or more of the same values , ethics concepts of justice , and fair & just human treatments as it supposedly has with the domination of the church . Pagans were not Godless , and if the truth be told , 1/2 Western Christianity has at it's complete roots ---> Roman/Greco Paganism. To leave such an important area in a vaccum , and decaptitate the strongest natural impulse we have , and characterize it as anything but some Babylonian or Sodom/Gomora act if you indulge in it for any other reasons but procreation ....is to have a religion that in reality is nothing more than a plastic manikin, without gentalia . No amount of promise of heaven , and preaching from pulpits , and solomn ceremonial burning of incense erases the stink of this complete insipid grasp & understanding of one of the most powerful drives we have . It has been a sham for centuries, and remains so. People had more confidence and experience with making love to each other without the guilt of sin ...there would be less abortions when SEX becomes understood properly. JMO and there is ------>birth control these days , ya know. That is their greatest idiocy.

To: TimF who wrote (17049)	6/18/2001 1:53:40 PM
From: Solon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

Infanticide has always been with us. Many other horrible things have as well. However, there is a connection between abortion and infanticide. If you read the literature you will see that, where contraception and abortion are disallowed or made difficult, both abortion AND infanticide INCREASE. So making the practice of abortion a sensible and serious matter between a woman and her doctor seems like a reasonable plan right across the board, doesn't it? encyclopedia.com If infanticide served as a means of limiting family size, as many anthropologists believe, then the introduction of contraceptives, abortion, and other methods of population control may have rendered it obsolete. cbctrust.com At present almost two-thirds of the world’s women reside in countries where abortion may be obtained on request or for a broad range of social, economic or personal reasons.26 Liberalization has been successful; countries which have developed access to safe, legal abortion have typically lowered the rates of pregnancy-related complications and death as well as infanticide, and improved the health of women and their families.27,28,29 britannica.com In modern societies the regulation of population with contraceptives or through abortion has tended to greatly reduce the frequency of infanticide. In Victorian England, much infanticide was encouraged by the religious opprobrium that attached to illigitmacy, which was so severe that it virtually destroyed the life of the mother. In biblical times, the killing of the first born male was quite common strictly for religious reasons. Later, in the Christian era, infanticide for other reasons was still common. One can give the Christians some credit in this regard in that they opposd the practice and helped to reduce it by taking in children left to die. Contraceptives and the legalizing of abortion have reduced abortions, and of course have reduced the imcidence of infanticide. Abortion still runs extremely high, however, in catholic societies, where contraception and abortion are still approached from a religious perspective. As the church begins to allow safe sex, one can expect the incidence of Aids, and other STD's to decrease, as well as abortions and infanticides.