To: The Philosopher who wrote (17077 ) 6/18/2001 6:36:46 PM From: Lane3 Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 82486 That's why the "there will always be abortions so we might as well make them safe and legal" argument in favor of legalized abortion on demand has never impressed me. I wasn't arguing that. I wasn't arguing either side of the abortion issue. Once again, I was simply reframing the issue.The "pro-life" crowd would argue, with some merit, that every abortion prevented is a life saved. With some merit, yes. Most prevented abortions save the life of an incipient baby, assuming it's healthy enough to survive. Many/most would have some collateral damage including the possible death of a woman. There's no way to know the net difference. I don't presume to know how many pro-lifers think making abortion illegal would really stop abortions. I expect most figure the innocent fetuses saved outweigh the health impact, including possible death, of the women, the strain on the justice system, etc. I can understand that.Just like if the pacifist crowd thinks it will eliminate war, it's dreaming. I noticed you didn't include the war on drugs in your list of examples. I think that making abortions illegal would result is something more like drugs than war, civil rights, domestic violence, etc. Women will get their abortions just like people now find a way to get drugs and just like they find a way to get the money for drugs. There might be floating abortion facilities that operate much like raves do now. Maybe organized crime will fill the void. Who knows? I expect the collateral damage will be much greater than the most pragmatic among the pro-lifers think. I'd rather we learn something from the war on drugs. Karen