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To: TimF who wrote (17089)	6/18/2001 8:39:53 PM
From: Solon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

This is not exactly known because your geussing about what people would have done had circumstances been different and that can never be known for sure It is close enough to "true" for me. One contrary example would disprove my argument from example, but I have not seen a contrary example. If you wish to take a contrary opinion, then I would think you would produce an exception to my assertion. "...then it is the contraception that reduces abortion not abortion being illegal." We don't know what it is. IT might be the fact that the legality of abortion relates to the degree of "civilization" that exists in a particular society--and all the concommitant variables that attend to THAT. It is generally thought that it relates to the rate at which women experience an unintended pregnancy, but that is not so simplistic as the legality of contraception. All I did was quote what is known, i.e. that the combination of contraception AND legal abortion statistically reduces abortions and maternal death and injury. Not once did I say anything about it being caused by legalizing abortion, although for some reason you seem to be defending the goal post on an empty field. Anyway, that is your business. There are also many countries where abortion is legal and the abortion rate is high I have no idea what "many countries" you are referring to here. Why don't you share that information. Of course, I am not interested in hearing about, say, China, where the "ONE CHILD POLICY" was enFORCED by the STATE. What is accomplished by FORCE has no statistical significance for me in terms of our discussion. Even though the Chinese abortion rates are by no means near the statistical top, nevertheless, their abortions do not relate to the legality of abortion, but to the ILLEGALITY of children--just as their "sterilization" rates have more than volunteerism to thank.

To: TimF who wrote (17089)	6/18/2001 9:27:43 PM
From: Solon	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 82486

"The simple truth of the matter is that in Roman Catholic Latin America, abortion is illegal, but is being performed at one of the highest levels in the world." You replied... If true then it is a perfect example of my point that the church can not punish or preven abortions or contraceptive use. Catholics all over the world ignore the church on contraception (and less frequently but still quite often abortion), and of course it has very little influence over non-catholics on these issues. We certainly don't disagree on that--but it wasn't my point. My point is that it is illegal (DUE TO THE INFLUENCE OF RELIGION), and it IS being done--IN SPITE OF RELIGION. So how does religion justify the deaths of the mothers?? I'm just wondering...