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To: Dan3 who wrote (137920)	6/22/2001 12:47:55 AM
From: Tony Viola	Respond to of 186894

Dan, It would have been nice if they could have done it with a new core, though. It would have saved 97% of the cost. And what use are the old FABs in this semi market? They may have to pay a fair amount to mothball or decomission them. You only change one biggie at a time, if you can afford to because you have multiple product lines. Good move by Intel. Tony

To: Dan3 who wrote (137920)	6/22/2001 11:56:45 AM
From: semiconeng	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 186894

And what use are the old FABs in this semi market? They may have to pay a fair amount to mothball or decomission them. Rediculous. Greater than 70% of the equipment from a 0.18u Fab can be reused in 0.13u. No fabs need to be "Decomissioned". As 0.13u ramps up, and 0.18u ramps down, the 0.18u fabs will be converted over to 0.13u. Semi

To: Dan3 who wrote (137920)	6/22/2001 12:20:06 PM
From: fingolfen	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 186894

It would have been nice if they could have done it with a new core, though. It would have saved 97% of the cost. And what use are the old FABs in this semi market? They may have to pay a fair amount to mothball or decomission them. Dan, you really don't know anything about the semiconductor industry, do you? I used to think you were a reasonably knowledgeable debater, but now I know that you really have no conception about the semiconductor industry. Old FAB's are the same use they've always been. Old fabs can continue to run legacy processes for the embedded markets (something Intel has done successfully for years... hell, Intel still is making money off of an "ancient" 6" fab in Israel!). Many fabs can simply be updated to the new process as there is substantial tool reuse from process to process. Once fabs get very old, they can be reworked to handle a new process (the old Fab 5 was shut down, then remodeled for flash, and is now back up and running). Again, if you're going to discuss semiconductor manufacturing, I do suggest you go do some research, else continue to put your foot in your mouth...