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To: LLCF who wrote (5207)	6/22/2001 11:21:22 PM
From: Hawkmoon	Respond to of 74559

Actually, I'm one of those people who believe that as CO2 levels rise, there is a natural trend for different plant life to take advantage of that condition. If the rain-forest is cut down, then more algae will grow in the oceans given the inducement of more CO2 in the atmosphere. And given that there is more forested land NOW in the US, than there was in the 1800s (when every available acre was farm land), I can see where it's hard for us to complain. But then again, most of the land we farmed was good crop land, whereas the rain forest possesses lousy soil conditions. A couple of harvests and the minerals are leached out the point where it's time to move on to the next patch of triple canopy jungle. And it's not like agriculture is the most economically productive form of employment. However, it does denote ownership of some form of property, which is important to every individual. Thus, it would make sense to encourage other forms of economic activity that would be more financially rewarding. Hawk

To: LLCF who wrote (5207)	6/23/2001 12:14:43 AM
From: smolejv@gmx.net	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 74559

>>btw there is probably no way any scientist is ever going to figure out exactly how much oxegen production we need...<< Bull. What does "exactly" mean? Happily waiting for the third decimal in the error bar of some measurement ("These science yoyos...")? and in the mean time ignoring... 1. a major reduction in the mass of alpine glaciers in almost all parts of the world 2. an increase in permafrost thawing at high latitudes 3. ditto at high altitudes 4. a reduction in extent and thickness of Arctic sea-ice 5. later freeze-up and earlier break-up dates of ice on rivers and lakes 6. and an increase in the calving rate of Antarctic ice shelves 7. no evidence to think that these systems have a lag response to warming of 50 years or more - iow tightly coupled response to human-induced warming. 8. shifts in the distribution of of plant and animal species both latitudinally and longitudinally - count in humans 9. changes in phenomenology of plant leafing and flowering 10. storage of significant quantities of heat in the near-surface ocean 11 an overall rise in sea-level driven by both continental ice melting and a steric change due to the increase in overall ocean temperature (remember, water expands when heated) 12 remarkable increases in ground temperatures over the last millenium quoted from Science 292 15th june pg 2011 dj