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To: westpacific who wrote (5301)6/25/2001 5:42:59 PM
From: marek_wojna  Respond to of 74559
 
<<Not to mention destroy NATO, and alienate us from the entire world>>

Very true, but what else you can do facing Chapter 11? Your patriotic feelings, vision of superpower going down the ditch? No matter how anybody look at politics - deep in the core of it is nothing more than BLACKMAIL.



To: westpacific who wrote (5301)6/25/2001 6:07:15 PM
From: Hawkmoon  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 74559
 
It would be so easy to pollute this supply.

Duhh....

That's like claiming we don't need a police force because they can't be there to prevent the crime from occurring.

We're discussing DETERRENCE, and controlling the situation, as opposed to being held hostage to international criminals.

Of course, waterways can be contaminated in a bio-terroristic attack.

In fact, cattle and pigs can be contaminated with hoof and mouth disease in an act of economic bio-terrorism.

Terrorists can spread various forms of agricultural viruses aimed at wiping out whole crops.

Wackos like Timothy McVeigh can drive Ryder trucks full of Amphol and dynamite in front of government buildings and blow them to hell, without anyone being able to do anything about it.

You just can't stop such acts of criminal terror. But you can deter them, or more appropriately deter those nations that harbor, support, and train such terrorists by ensuring they will pay the price, no matter what type of rocketry they might possess.

The primary weapon against terrorism is counter-terrorism, including the penetration, "turning", surveillance, and active countering of such groups/individuals. It should be treated as the crime that it is, and perpetrators of it ruthlessly hunted down and dealt with.

As for meteors, can you tell us all with 100% certainty when the next one is planning on paying us a little call? The one over Tunguska in 1908 was pretty significant, as I recall. Laid out trees for miles in all directions.

The one last year apparently passed between the moon and earth, a mere 100,000 miles or so. And there will be one in 2027 which is expected to pass within 38,000 miles of the earth by present calculations.

Considering that we're spending hundreds of millions on treating people who insist on engaging in irresponsible behavior, or paying off a public national debt which is already lower than most of rival nations, while only spending a paltry $4 million dollars on discovering and tracking NEOs that could wipe out all life, strikes me as a rather twisted sense of priorities.

As for alienating us from the rest of the world, the last time we played isolationist, we wound up bailing the rest of the world out of their own morasse.

If the US leads, the rest of the world will follow, whether they want to or not. The responsibility of the US is to ensure that where we lead them is a safer, freer world than we have now.

Hawk



To: westpacific who wrote (5301)6/25/2001 10:56:46 PM
From: Mark Adams  Respond to of 74559
 
I wasn't going to bother posting this, but your post reminded me for the second time today of the Club of Rome report. While I was quite young when I read of it, my memory is that 'the least cost option' was to 'do nothing'.

The plea buried within- to cancel debts- perhaps I'm cyncical, but who would benefit most from canceled debts? The ruling class?

DJ WRAP: UN Aids Gathering Draws Pleas To End Pandemic


UNITED NATIONS (AP)--One after another, African leaders at the United Nation's first global gathering on HIV/AIDS made emotional pleas for help Monday in ending the devastation wrought by the epidemic, with Nigeria's president warning that entire populations face extinction.

Secretary-General Kofi Annan opened the three-day Special Session by urging world leaders to set aside moral judgments and face the unpleasant facts of a disease that has killed 22 million people and ravaged many of the world's
poorest nations.

Kenya and Nigeria are each home to more than 2 million HIV patients. In Botswana, more than 20% of the adult population is infected, and in South Africa, AIDS will knock off 17 years from the life expectancy by 2005.

"The future of our continent is bleak, to say the least," Nigerian President Olusegun Obasanjo said in emotional and frank remarks. "The prospect of extinction of the entire population of a continent looms larger and larger."

Obosanjo and others called for "total cancellation of Africa's debt."

"The undeniable fact is that, with the fragility of our economies, we simply lack the capacity to adequately respond to the magnitude of the HIV/AIDS epidemic."

The secretary-general, a native of Ghana who has made the fight against AIDS his personal priority, said AIDS spending "in the developing world needs to rise to roughly five times its present level."

UN Chief Calls For Global Aids Fund

Annan has called for a global AIDS fund and says at least $7 billion is needed to fight the scourge.

"Our response to AIDS must be no less comprehensive, no less relentless, no less swift than the pandemic itself," U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell told the General Assembly on Monday. Leading the U.S. delegation, Powell said more money would come from the U.S. - which has already pledged $200 million in seed money -"as we learn where our support will be most effective."

Several speakers, including Powell, acknowledged that the global response to AIDS has been woefully late. Britain's Clare Short, secretary for international development, went a step further by criticizing the very gathering she addressed.

"It is my strongly held view that we waste too much time and energy in U.N. conferences and special sessions. We use up enormous energy in arguing at great length over texts that provide few if any follow-up mechanisms or assurances
that governments and U.N. agencies will carry forward the declarations that are agreed," she said.

Indeed, the morning session of the conference ended in more than two-hours of arguments over whether to exclude the U.S.-based International Gay and Lesbian Human Rights Commission from a round-table discussion on human rights and AIDS.

Eleven unidentified countries want the group kept out of the meeting but Canada made a special plea on its behalf.

Elsewhere in the building, diplomats squabbled over a final conference document that will map out a global strategy to halt the disease and reverse its effects. Muslim countries and even the U.S. object to language that specifically names vulnerable groups in need of protection, including men who have sex with men.

Noting the weeks of infighting among delegates leading up the gathering, Annan told the 189-nation General Assembly: "We cannot deal with AIDS by making moral judgments or refusing to face unpleasant facts, and still less by stigmatizing those who are infected. We can only do it by speaking clearly and plainly, both about the ways that people become infected, and about what they can to avoid infection."

But expectations for a successful gathering remained high and varied for many of the 3,000 participants, including health experts, politicians, scientists, AIDS activists and patients working to find an end to the scourge.

Three Days Of Meetings

Three days of conferences and meetings touch on everything from drug prices to homosexuality, AIDS orphans and funding. Events on Monday included a round-table
discussion on prevention and care, a look at how New York City has responded to the epidemic, gender issues relating to AIDS, challenges in rural Africa and the psychological impact of the disease.

To allow some delegates to participate, the U.S. waived visa restrictions that prevent those with HIV or AIDS from visiting the country.

U.N. radio and an online webcast will broadcast many of the events around the world in the six official languages of the United Nations - Arabic, Chinese, English, French, Russian and Spanish.

Two dozen heads of state, mostly from Africa, are attending the General Assembly Special Session on HIV/AIDS, though no wealthy nation sent a president or prime minister. Many used their time on the assembly floor to discuss the fund, which Annan expects will be operational by the end of the year.

"It is important for the fund to have criteria that will ensure that resources are used to meet the needs of countries most affected by HIV/AIDS such as my own," President Festus Mogae of Botswana said.

Uganda, a rare success story among African nations battling the disease, became the first developing nation to give to a global AIDS fund Monday with a $2 million donation. Rates of infection in Uganda have declined by two-thirds since 1993.

Canada added its contribution to those made earlier by the U.S., Britain and France, for a total of some $600 million so far.

A study published Friday in the journal Science said the world's poorest countries will need $9.2 billion a year to deal with AIDS - $4.4 billion to treat people with the illness and $4.8 billion to prevent new infections.