To: D. Long who wrote (156512 ) 6/29/2001 7:04:47 AM From: cAPSLOCK Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 769670 If Microsoft truly cared about its customers, it would provide open standards compliant products that seamlessly accomodate the needs of a multi-vendor datacenter. They won't do that. They can't afford to do that. MSFT is not in the business of 'caring for its clients'. At least not directly. They are in the business to make as much money as they possibly can. Anyone who would say different is just smoking the marketing bong. Thre is nothing wrong with MSFTs attitude either IMHO. Now, obviously, 'caring for ones clients' can be an important part of what a firm sells. Really. And it costs a company money to add this to their product or service. The only way a company will see this as a needed expenditure is to lose market share to someone who IS offering a better product. I am with you that MS products are not nearly as good as they could be... by a long shot. If I didnt have to run Windows for my audio purposes I wouldn't run it. Even so... I am using Mozilla right now, on a geoshell shell over windows. I also use Open Office, linux, php4, mysql, interchange, gnucleus, lame and so on... Personally I SEE that opensource products are a powerful challenger to Microsoft's products. But until others see this and choose to put their money where their mouth is, MSFT will not have to ever fight nearly so hard. (BTW, 'blows chunks' is a good description... although i think Win2K could be described better as simply 'vomiting quietly') regards, cAPSLOCK For those who are interested:redhat.com mozilla.org openoffice.org news.geoshell.com php.net mysql.com interchange.redhat.com gnucleus.sourceforge.net mp3dev.org