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To: milo_morai who wrote (46634)	7/8/2001 8:35:43 PM
From: fyodor_	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 275872

Milo: FWIW INTC shipping all P4's without testing them? Oh give it a rest, will ya! Just because one (or even 10 or 100) person find something wrong with their P4 doesn't mean that there's an issue! To suggest such a thing on such a statistically insignificant background would be ludicrous. With the number of product both AMD and Intel ships, there are bound to be some problems here and there. Additionally, you can't even provide even a shred of proof that the chip in question was faulty upon delivery. Who's to say the poor sap didn't damage it himself? Or maybe a flaky motherboard / PSU / etc. caused the problem. -fyo

To: milo_morai who wrote (46634)	7/8/2001 11:00:36 PM
From: Paul Engel	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 275872

<font color = Milo Blind> guru3d.com May 20, 2001 Instability issues 1.33GHz AMD Athlon processors - Hilbert Hagedoorn @ 4:24 Due to an unusual amount of complaints by telephone and e-mail that system builders receive it seems that the 1.33 GHz Athlon Thunderbird is in a lot of cases instable. AMD will soon announce that people should increase the default 1.75 volts towards 1.8 volts. TweakTown overheard this in a conversation with Steven Fraser of AMD and John Gatt from VIA. This shiny CPU seems to be stable under normal conditions but during heavy use it needs some more juice. Settings like these can easily be changed by a jumper or BIOS setting on you mainboard. If it can't you'll have to wait for a BIOS upgrade from your manufacturer. You know, come to think of it .. I use a 1.2 Ghz Athlon Thunderbird myself and needed to boost the core voltage with .5 volts to get it 100% stable also .. "While at the VIA C3 Launch in Sydney last month, I overheard a conversation between John Gatt of VIA and Steven Fraser of AMD concerning instability issues of 1.33GHz AMD Athlon processors, John had to set the core voltage on four 1.33GHz Athlons to 1.8 volts to get them running in a stable environment stable. "Many would know that increasing the core voltage of these chips through the BIOS to 1.8 volts would fix the majority of instability problems being experienced by many owners. While AMD Athlon cores clocked at 1.33GHz are stable in an idle environment, when they are put in a stressful environment for a long period of time they often tend to crash, as not enough power is being supplied to them. "Moreover, these problems have lead to retailers and systems builders getting extensive amounts of tech support emails and phone calls reporting instability problems with partly 1.2GHz cores, but mainly 1.33GHz AMD Athlon processors. It is rumoured that AMD are considering changing the default core voltage to 1.8 volts on the 1.33GHz and the 1.2GHz AMD Athlons. "AMD has not officially acknowledged this problem, but it is a rumoured they will soon." Anybody from AMD care to give us the official line on this one before the new week gets into full throttle?