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To: Joe NYC who wrote (46835)	7/9/2001 10:15:20 PM
From: milo_morai	Respond to of 275872

<font color=blue>Nice read from Devolopers voodooextreme.com Some clips of note "..John Carmack, id Software (DOOM, Quake series) -- It is sort of interesting how I really haven't cared about the changes in processors since AMD introduced the Athlon..." "Jim Malmros, Insomnia Software...AMD and nVidia seems to be going the right way with the nForce, so I think I will have to say I like AMD alot better, atleast right now... "Nathan d'Obrenan, Firetoads Software -- AMD seems to be taking all the right roads in processor design, and by keeping in mind backwards compatibilty with 32 bit processors specifically before making the leap to 64. Intel to my knowledge isn't doing that, they'll just be making 64 bit processors, rendering older apps obsolete (every app currently out), until the developers can recompile their code, and re-release their new builds. The thing that's really annoyed me about Intel is that they actually charge developers to add support for their processors. Intel is selling VTune, (a SEE optimization tool) to developers for around $200. I just see this as pure ludicrous, as they are in the _hardware_ business, NOT the software business. If they are smart at all they will realize this mistake they're making and put every effort they have into making it easy on giving support to developers. AMD has done the _smart_ thing and has also developed a similar program to VTune (excepts helps add's optimize code for 3dnow), and has released it for free on their webpage. The decision is braindead for what CPU extensions developers are likely going to support, and it shows in todays games. As for actual comparisons between 3dnow and SSE, I can't answer that because I haven't done any definitive tests between the two. I will tell you however that we won't bother implementing SSE if Intel doesn't give us (or any) developer support." "Brian Hook, formerly of id and Verant -- Let me preface my comments with fair disclosure: I own stock in AMD, so there is a potential for bias. Here's the short answer in list form: - Athlon rocks. Very fast, powerful. - I'm execited about Athlon and 760MP configurations - Athlon4 also rocks. - I'm not an OC enthusiast or a home PC builder, so not being able to find a good Athlon machine from a "big name" company like Dell bothers me. The only top tier vendor that sells Athlon - P4's main memory bandwidth is extremely nice. - I don't like SSE that much, but I understand its power. I don't think it's an intuitive instruction set to use, and I don't like having to rearrange data (from array of structures to structure of arrays) in order to leverage it effectively. - 3DNow! Is very easy to use. I happen to like it a lot. - Even real simple instructions available from both 3DNow! And SSE are nice, such as prefetch and reciprocal square root approximation..." ... In another few months I'll probably get an Athlon 1.5Ghz w/ nForce motherboard and 1GB of RAM as my main dev machine... ----------------- Milo

To: Joe NYC who wrote (46835)	7/9/2001 10:27:31 PM
From: combjelly	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 275872

"Lately, not many systems are sold within 1st month of introduction of the chipset" Yeah, but this is nVidia, not VIA. The information so far has been good, and if you have been in a position to see the darn thing in action, you have to agree. nVidia has lined up at least one OEM for the launch (ok, Fujitsu) and I suspect that there are others. AMD and nVidia have been doing their best to keep the lid on things until the drivers are worked out, but expect them to hit it hard when things are released. My suspicions are that nForce is the reason for the delay in the desktop Palominos. This gives AMD an opportunity to clean out the inventory of Tbirds before rolling out the ponies in force. Ok, I know that this is totally counter to the way that AMD has done things in the past, but nForce is really a major step in performance. This thing is totally unbelievable...