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Politics : Sharks in the Septic Tank -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Greg or e who wrote (17847)	7/9/2001 11:07:11 PM
From: 2MAR$	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

Eveything has a "simple reason " doesn't it ? It's ok if you need these stories and signs and imaginary historical figures and examples to prove to yourself that life is good, life is great ...and worth living. You have chosen to believe in ancient stories , imaginary humans, imaginary devils angels and prophets... that even without which , life would still provide you with ample experiences today to know your own truths. ...but easier to just read about your life , out of a book. But people gregg are really quite capable , just like Jesus did , of seeing the beauty , eternity of Life nowdays , without the old stories of heaven and hell. The secular world is doing many things right , or maybe you haven't noticed ? Just like many wonderful stories that went "Once upon a time ".... It's wonderful if it takes stories of angels and messiahs to arouse you enough to love or care. But wouldn't it be just as beautiful , if people just came together in the here and now ....without thought of heaven or hell. But out of simple , dignified human respect , living life in accordance to "your own ministry"..your own two feet. But that wouldn't satisfy you , would it ? It would take away your "power" , and desire for imortality... you would have to think up something original to say. and there wouldn't be any "club" to belong to ...and you would have to accept the truth , that jesus was just a man... not a god. Just ask Brees about Jesus being only the man ...1billion followers of Islam cannot be wrong. The "Last Prophet" of God , Mohammed said so! regards Mars PS: Paul was very concerned with miracles , but forgot most of them . ...and Jesus said : "there will be those that will come after me that do greater deeds than I have done ." ---->proof he was just a philosopher ! ;-)

To: Greg or e who wrote (17847)	7/10/2001 3:36:19 AM
From: 2MAR$	Read Replies (4) \| Respond to of 82486

There is a very simple reason that Paul does not concentrate on the miracles that Jesus did in His earthly ministry. First Paul was not an eyewitness to them thank you , for starting out with the the truth about Paul, not being an "eyewitness" to anything , nor does he ever mention any of the miracles of jesus , which is so very strange. yet... you go onto say: having met the risen Jesus on the road to Damascus. What did you just say ? He met a man on the road to Damascus , that's been dead for how long ? And you say he was not witness to a miracle ? ROFL Yep pretty simple to understand your "simple " explanations gregg. Paul has seen --->no miracles , but he has seen the risen Christ by the side of the road . That is not a miracle to you ? <GG> You just can't admit that Christianity has backed itself into so many uneccesary corners with these miracles and magic revelation stuff . We all know about the walking on the water miracle , the feeding of the multitudes , all being borrowed from Buddhism. Buddha also gave a famous --->Sermon on the Mount , to a huge gathering of people , 500yrs earlier. His message was to proclaim the power of the risen Christ to forgive sin, who, having paid the ultimate price, with His own sinless life, received the ringing endorsement of God through the resurrection from the dead. I hope you will remember greggg, that jesus appears out of nowhere up by the river jordan (the legend goes) with John the Baptist , a fully formed man of 30yrs of age . How do you know he lead a sinless life ? You don't know a thing about the first 29yrs of his life...he could have been a thief, adulterer, and sinner ....or anything at all for that matter, before he turned preacher.... He (paul)did not deny any of the miracles of Christ, he simply built on what had already been established by the eyewitness of the Apostles. Would you plow a field twice? I never said ---->that Paul *denied* the miracles of Christ. Are you just being thick? I said -->Paul never even mentions them at all ...not even a reference to the Sermon on the mount ...or even one of the parables. read the post again: Message 16036214 At least in Islam , mohammed was clever enough to cover his tracks by being honest enough to admit he was only the messenger ....but even he got carried away with the angels , devils and evil Jinns ...they always do. bye , c/ya Mars