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To: Earlie who wrote (44394)7/14/2001 12:02:49 AM
From: Uncle Frank  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 54805
 
>> you will find that for the majority of the Naz stocks they are higher than a year ago,.... a period which is now openly (and accurately) referred to as a "mania".

Actually, the peak for the ndx occurred in March 2000. By mid July we were already in correction mode. But we don't attempt to address the market here, just a handful of Gorilla and King stocks that have passed through our screens.

>> Most of the stocks DarbyC referenced are excellent examples of same.

Since I own several of the stocks that darby listed, I'd like to see you support that contention. To be specific, I'd appreciateit if you would address qcom, sebl, ntap, intc, and csco.

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To: Earlie who wrote (44394)7/14/2001 2:53:48 PM
From: Seeker of Truth  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 54805
 
Comments about the macro situation are certainly welcome, and useful to everybody, the more detailed the better. What I objected to in your post was the emphasis on the predictive power of past declining earnings. Even in your reply you speak of imploding future earnings. When we don't know what will happen to future earnings how can we talk of them imploding? The stock market is not like a rapidly rising ball or a falling ball, obeying the laws of classical mechanics. Stocks can turn on a dime from a rapid rise to a fall or from a rapid fall to a rise. Earnings can also do the same. It's certainly true what you say that we should preserve our capital. We can do so from time to time by putting money in the bank. Maybe that's true now, i.e. maybe the interest after taxes is about equal to inflation. But in the long run this tends not to be so. We also have to heed another truism: it pays to invest and increase our capital. The question is the timing, of course. Your first post, sounded to me like, "the stock market has been going down big time, therefore an even worse disaster awaits." I've heard this tune in every recession that I have observed. Your comments on the general economic situation are no doubt important. I find myself unable to judge; I'm unaware of a u.S. Treasury printathon. Personally, just in case predictors of further disaster like you are right, I have a big cash equivalent position now, to tide my family over for a long time. I would advise this for everybody. But I see too many conflicting factors to accept the general bearish argument. Anybody that bought the gorillas in April have done well now. But the argument against stocks was stronger then. The inventories had not been worked down as much as now. Interest rates were higher.



To: Earlie who wrote (44394)7/14/2001 3:14:02 PM
From: Seeker of Truth  Respond to of 54805
 
Further reply to your post. Say a company makes $1 a share and are selling at the sky high P/E of 100. Then things collapse and the share price goes from 100 to 5. Meanwhile the earnings per share( or cash flow per share) has gone from $1 to one cent. Now the stock is selling at a P/E of 500!!!!. You would say that it's more overvalued than ever!!!! But wait a minute. Suppose the average earning power is about 50cents. Then the stock is selling at a quite reasonable P/E of 10, where E is an average of the past three years let's say, and our expectations for the next 3 years. This often happens to cyclical companies like railroads, cement companies, automobile companies etc. The stocks I am interested in are ALL, every one of them, selling for markedly LOWER P/E's than a year ago, not higher. However if the Nasdaq companies as a whole are cyclical, then Nasdaq should have a higher P/E' now than a year ago. I'm not arguing the bullish case; it's just that the higher P/E argument is either not so, when examining most Nasdaq stocks, or is true and reflects the meteoric descent of the earnings, not necessarily crazy overvaluation. I'm not qualified to deny your major point, that we should get the hell out of stocks; I'm just opposing your P/E argument for this conclusion.