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To: rich4eagle who wrote (160685)	7/13/2001 11:09:48 PM
From: SecularBull	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769669

The term abortion defines precisely the facts of the situation- The aborting of human life (which is already alive, thus an abortion of that life). Twist it as you will. It's still killing. ~SB~

To: rich4eagle who wrote (160685)	7/13/2001 11:25:51 PM
From: Thomas A Watson	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 769669

Dear richie, >>>> nice post on a subject that has no answer, the abortion issue and when life begins is a "chicken and egg" problem and is unanswerable, richie I know you are not pretending ignorance about a scientific certainty." Well richie for the truly totally technically illiterate that is the case. So I understand why this kind of testimony is so confusing to you. When does life begin? In 1981 (April 23-24) a Senate Judiciary Subcommittee held hearings on the very question before us here: When does human life begin? Appearing to speak on behalf of the scientific community was a group of internationally-known geneticists and biologists who had the same story to tell, namely, that human life begins at conception - and they told their story with a profound absence of opposing testimony. Dr. Micheline M. Mathews-Roth, Harvard medical School, gave confirming testimony, supported by references from over 20 embryology and other medical textbooks that human life began at conception. "Father of Modern Genetics" Dr. Jerome Lejeune told the lawmakers: "To accept the fact that after fertilization has taken place a new human has come into being is no longer a matter of taste or opinion ... it is plain experimental evidence." Dr. Hymie Gordon, Chairman, Department of Genetics at the Mayo Clinic, added: "By all the criteria of modern molecular biology, life is present from the moment of conception." Dr. McCarthy de Mere, medical doctor and law professor, University of Tennessee, testified: "The exact moment of the beginning of personhood and of the human body is at the moment of conception." Dr. Alfred Bongiovanni, University of Pennsylvania School of Medicine, concluded, "I am no more prepared to say that these early stages represent an incomplete human being than I would be to say that the child prior to the dramatic effects of puberty ... is not a human being." Dr. Richard V. Jaynes: "To say that the beginning of human life cannot be determined scientifically is utterly ridiculous." Dr. Landrum Shettles, sometimes called the "Father of In Vitro Fertilization" notes, "Conception confers life and makes that life one of a kind." And on the Supreme Court ruling _Roe v. Wade_, "To deny a truth [about when life begins] should not be made a basis for legalizing abortion." Professor Eugene Diamond: "...either the justices were fed a backwoods biology or they were pretending ignorance about a scientific certainty." richie I know you are not pretending ignorance about a scientific certainty." you all have a nice day now hear. tom watson tosiwmee

To: rich4eagle who wrote (160685)	7/13/2001 11:42:50 PM
From: Little Joe	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769669

Rich: You are right. There are no real answers because of the differing beliefs of people. What perplexes me is how the Courts can reconcile their view on abortion with so many other holdings that allow government to control our lives. Little joe