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To: J_F_Shepard who wrote (160776)	7/14/2001 11:40:08 AM
From: PROLIFE	Respond to of 769667

Far too many men cause a pregnancy and then disappear but we rarely hear pro-lifers include the fathers in their pro-life rantings I totally agree, men have fallen terribly short of their responsibility. I wonder why? Don't you? Women's decision? that is a weak mans ticket. Just an excuse to wash his hands of any responsibility. In other words, on what basis do you claim that life begins with the combining of two cells.... I listen to the experts. You have seen these before: CAN YOU REFUTE THEM WITH EVIDENCE?? Dr. Micheline M. Mathews-Roth, Harvard medical School, gave confirming testimony, supported by references from over 20 embryology and other medical textbooks that human life began at conception. * "Father of Modern Genetics" Dr. Jerome Lejeune told the lawmakers: "To accept the fact that after fertilization has taken place a new human has come into being is no longer a matter of taste or opinion ... it is plain experimental evidence." * Dr. Hymie Gordon, Chairman, Department of Genetics at the Mayo Clinic, added: "By all the criteria of modern molecular biology, life is present from the moment of conception." * Dr. McCarthy de Mere, medical doctor and law professor, University of Tennessee, testified: "The exact moment of the beginning of personhood and of the human body is at the moment of conception." * Dr. Alfred Bongiovanni, University of Pennsylvania School of Medicine, concluded, "I am no more prepared to say that these early stages represent an incomplete human being than I would be to say that the child prior to the dramatic effects of puberty ... is not a human being." * Dr. Richard V. Jaynes: "To say that the beginning of human life cannot be determined scientifically is utterly ridiculous." * Dr. Landrum Shettles, sometimes called the "Father of In Vitro Fertilization" notes, "Conception confers life and makes that life one of a kind." And on the Supreme Court ruling _Roe v. Wade_, "To deny a truth [about when life begins] should not be made a basis for legalizing abortion." * Professor Eugene Diamond: "...either the justices were fed a backwoods biology or they were pretending ignorance about a scientific certainty."

To: J_F_Shepard who wrote (160776)	7/14/2001 12:15:39 PM
From: DOUG H	Respond to of 769667

Far too many men cause a pregnancy and then disappear You raise an interesting point and I agree these cases happen far too often. I have no respect for men who abandon the children they father. In some cases it's perhaps best for the child they just pay for support and stay away, who knows. But among the questions your point raises are these, "If you suscribe to the reasoning that "life" begins at birth and that a fertilized embryo is not life, then it follows that the impregnator has created nothing. And is under no obligation for support? The mother, exercizing her "right to choose" has elected to create life and it is therefore her responsibility to care for the child. Another issue that arises has to do with the woman's "right to choose". This "right" flows from the idea that it's her body. Well, is not she, and she alone "responsible" as well? If she decides to engage in the only act by whch she can become impregnated has'nt she "chosen" her way into that pregnation? And if she carries the fetus to term she has "chosen" to give birth, so why is it the impregnators responsibility to support the resulting child? In other words, on what basis do you claim that life begins with the combining of two cells....aren't the single cells alive also? You see, I see some arguements of convienience being made. In one instance fertilized eggs can be aborted because they are not life, yet if a man fertilizes an egg and the woman carries that to the only thing that can result, a child, the fertilizer is responsible? Why? He did nothing.