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To: combjelly who wrote (138156)	7/15/2001 1:33:32 PM
From: tejek	Respond to of 1588074

" I am surprised that Ray isn't doling out a sentence for Condit already." I'm sure he has. As far as Condit goes, his taking of a lie detector test on his own makes his case a whole lot shakier. The whole situation is getting interesting... He definitely looks suspicious. Hard to know what's true and what isn't but I think sleazy is becoming an apt adjective to describe him. And it would appear he isn't long for the title of Congressman from CA. ted

To: combjelly who wrote (138156)	7/15/2001 2:09:49 PM
From: tejek	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1588074

And now for another interesting turn of events! ______________________________________________ Report: Florida Accepted Flawed Ballots .c The Associated Press NEW YORK (July 15) - A New York Times investigation into overseas ballots that helped George W. Bush win the presidency found that Florida election officials, facing intense GOP pressure to accept military votes, counted hundreds of overseas absentee ballots that failed to comply with state election laws. The Times published the results of its investigation in Sunday editions. The newspaper's six-month examination of the 2,490 overseas ballots accepted after Election Day found 680 questionable votes. But while that number is greater than Bush's 537-vote victory in Florida, the paper concluded that Bush still would likely have defeated Al Gore even if those flawed ballots had been discarded. EDIT. But in how many other areas were votes intentionally miscounted?!! Gary King, a Harvard expert on voting patterns and statistical models, concluded that Bush's winning margin would most likely have been reduced to 245 votes if the overseas votes had been thrown out. There was only a slight chance that discarding the questionable ballots would have made Gore the winner. It was impossible to simply count the questionable votes because the ballots themselves are separated from the envelopes containing voter information. The paper found no evidence of fraud by either party, though it did interview voters who admitted they had cast illegal ballots after Election Day. It found no support for suspicions that the Bush campaign had organized an effort to solicit late votes. After the uncertain results of Nov. 7, both Gore and Bush began high-pressure postelection campaigns to eke out a victory. The importance of overseas ballots - and particularly military votes - quickly became apparent. The paper documented a successful effort by Republicans to count the maximum number of overseas ballots in counties won by Bush, particularly those with a high concentration of military voters, while seeking to disqualify overseas ballots in counties won by Gore. Counties carried by Gore accepted two in 10 ballots that had no evidence they were mailed on or before Election Day. Counties carried by Bush accepted six in 10 of such ballots. Bush counties were four times as likely as Gore counties to count ballots lacking witness signatures and addresses. EDIT. so much for the Reps. virginal purity. White House spokesman Ari Fleischer told the Times: ``This election was decided by the voters of Florida a long time ago. And the nation, the president and all but the most partisan Americans have moved on.'' EDIT. Wrong!! Fleischer keep on dreamin'! ``The story reinforces the perception that members of the Bush team believe the rules don't apply to them,'' Democratic Party spokeswoman Jennifer Palmieri told the Associated Press on Saturday. Of the 680 flawed ballots, the paper found: 344 ballots with no evidence they were cast on or before Election Day; 183 ballots with United States postmarks rather than overseas postmarks; 96 ballots lacking the required signature or address of a witness; 169 ballots from voters who were not registered, who failed to sign the envelope or who had not requested a ballot as required by federal law; five ballots received after the Nov. 17 deadline; and 19 voters who cast two ballots, both of which counted. The total number of flaws exceeds the number of questionable overseas ballots because many of the envelopes had multiple defects. Although Bush held a fluctuating lead throughout the 36 days of recounts and court fights after Nov. 7, the Florida Department of State's Web site shows that if none of the overseas absentee ballots were counted after Election Day, Gore would have won Florida by 202 votes, and retained Democratic control of the White House. Benjamin L. Ginsberg, national counsel to the Bush campaign, recalled those days as being ``as hardball a game as any of us had ever been involved in.'' Judge Anne Kaylor, chairwoman of the Polk County canvassing board, said the combination of Republican pressure and court rulings caused her board to count some ballots that would probably have been considered illegal in past years. ``I think the rules were bent,'' said Kaylor, a Democrat. ``Technically, they were not supposed to be accepted. Any canvassing board that says they weren't under pressure is being less than candid.'' Ginsberg said, ``We didn't ask anybody to do anything that wasn't in the law as it existed on Election Day.'' While both the Postal Service and the Pentagon worked hard to ensure the timely delivery of absentee ballots to Florida, the Bush campaign soon began to pressure the Pentagon, the paper said. Ginsberg faxed a letter to Defense Secretary William S. Cohen, the only Republican in the Clinton cabinet, on Nov. 11 urging that ballots be collected immediately. In the end, the vast majority of the ballots - 97 percent - arrived before the Nov. 17 deadline. In previous elections, according to records and interviews, as many as a third arrived after the 10-day window had closed. The Times also found a substantial number of people who knowingly cast their ballots after Election Day. Of the 91 voters interviewed whose ballots had either missing or late postmarks, 30 acknowledged marking ballots late. Only four were counted. While the Bush campaign loudly criticized a Gore supporter's memo that laid out a strategy to challenge overseas ballots, the Bush team had its own such strategy, the Times reported. A Bush campaign memo laid out a two-pronged strategy - telling Bush lawyers how to challenge ``illegal'' civilian votes that they assumed would be for Gore and also how to defend equally defective military ballots, the Times said. Ginsberg acknowledged that they had fought for military ballots while opposing ballots from civilians. Others involved in the campaign denied it. While the election was finally decided when the U.S. Supreme Court refused to allow a statewide manual recount because of potential equal rights violations, the court never considered unequal treatment of overseas absentee votes. Gore campaign aides argued they should include overseas votes in their legal challenge, but Gore rejected the idea, Democratic lawyer Joe Sandler told the Times. AP-NY-07-15-01 1027EDT Copyright 2001 The Associated Press. The information contained in the AP news report may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or otherwise distributed without the prior written authority of The Associated Press. All active hyperlinks have been inserted by AOL.

To: combjelly who wrote (138156)	7/19/2001 10:00:32 PM
From: i-node	Respond to of 1588074

" I am surprised that Ray isn't doling out a sentence for Condit already." It's becoming more and more clear that Condit is likely involved in the disappearance of Levy, and it I'd wager he has killed her or had her killed. This is, of course, the big picture. However, there is a significant subtext to the story. Apparently, the upcoming "Talk" magazine article will report that Condit is womanizer who, like his mentor Clinton, abused his power in the relationship with this young woman. Once again we see an older man in a powerful position taking advantage of a young, inexperienced woman who is enamored with his power. Once again, we find a young woman who thinks they have found True Love being trampled by a sorry, liberal, Democrat politician. Once again, the politician involved has attempted to employ the Politics of Personal Destruction to further assault the victim -- in this case, one who isn't around to defend herself. I had really thought that with a new president bringing some integrity to the office the liberals would sense a need to clean up their acts. Instead, we find the after-effects of eight years of Clinton sleeze. Clearly, it will take years of moral leadership to undo the damage done by Clinton in eight years. Makes you want to puke. I feel certain Condit will eventually pay for his actions. And I sincerely hope the American people will remember Clinton's substantial role in this crime, as it was CLINTON who made it "OK" to abuse these young women -- anything goes, SO LONG AS you're a powerful Democrat. Any liberal can easily rationalize it from there -- if it is okay for Clinton to abuse Monica, then it is okay to carry it to the next level. This is what happens when a leader has no sense of moral responsibility, folks. You get Condits thinking murder is okay. Assuming he didn't kill her, he certainly made it more likely that whoever else did will get away with it. But it seems evident that he was involved, and I think we'll see a righteous outcome to his hideous behavior. Damned liberals.