To: Paul Engel who wrote (139242 ) 7/15/2001 4:59:17 PM From: Dan3 Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 186894 Re: Looks like the AThWIper MP is in DEEP TROUBLE.... even at 2x1066 MHz, performance to die for. I stopped using Tyan SMP boards after a bad experience with a Dual Pentium system, switched to Supermicro motherboards for SMP systems, and had some disappointing experiences with them, too. Recently, we've had some bios and driver problems with MSI Dual Socket 370 boards used on workstations. Production of SMP boards is generally pretty low volume, and you generally run into a minor glitch or two, and that has to be dealt with. If the only problem with the Tyan board is an awkward CPU clip and the need to flash the shipping bios with a newer version, they're doing quite well. The only server I have that ever has an un-fixable problem is an older dual Pentium II system (Supermicro board, Intel chipset) that doesn't always come back from a soft re-boot (thanks again, Microsoft, for the need to do those fairly regularly) and about 4 times a year it just freezes up for no apparent reason. I am looking forward to the time when I can justify replacing it with an Athlon system. None of my Athlon servers have any problems of any kind (but then they are all single CPU, which is easier to do). I remember earlier single CPU Intel systems often having problems, but I'd tend to assing blame for those to the software rather than the hardware. If you look at the kinds of problems and solutions found you see messages like this:I followed that link to check out the stuff you wrote. Very interesting... But ya, the CPU Bus Speeds were layed out very confusingly in the manual And on the board itself. I followed EXACTLY what the board told me to, and it works. I actually have 2 Regular (read: Not the MP Palomino! but beware of this, as I read somewhere that by using regular athlon's on the Tyan k7, you can void the warranty) 1.4ghz Athlon chips. They're running at 266mhz bus speeds, because one of the jumpers requires 1,2 pins to be closed, and the other requires pins 2,3 to be closed to have both running at 266mhz. You gotta pay Real close attention. Just do exactly what the manual tells you, that's what I did and it worked for me. and this:I bought my board in a batch with 10 other guys and im the last one having to built it. None of the other guys had any problems, and they are all raving the speed and stability. Nervous was actually nervous with a wink, as i know how things are. I remember the horror stories with the first Abit BE6 boards. I still have that board somewhere, and never once had any problems with it. Anyways, i will definately let you guys know how and what. I hope it will be a positive contribution. It sounds like Tyan is selling a lot of these boards, more than I expected this soon. They've let a few bad boards get through their quality assurance, and at least a few people have run into bad memory or bad power supplies (which can happen to any board). I noticed that one of the problems that had the most posts about it turned out to be a problem between the RAID controller and the hard disk used (had nothing to do with the motherboard).