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To: LV who wrote (2408)	7/18/2001 4:29:59 AM
From: GUSTAVE JAEGER	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 23908

Re: I guess you would oppose creation of a Palestinian state as well then... It all depends on what kind of "state" we're talking about... As I said, I'm sceptical about the pertinence of the nation-state in today's world; yet, I'm supportive of the Albanian secession in Kosovo --which should ultimately lead to an Albanian nation-state of sorts... However, what I actually support in tha Albanians' breakaway politics is the freeing of an oppressed majority (2 million Kosovars vs 200,000 Serbs in Kosovo) and their rightful claim to self-organize. Indeed, I think that "self-determination" is the keyword. Do I oppose the creation of a Palestinian state? Considering the geographical exiguity of the issue, I'd say that Israel, somehow, is a Palestinian state... As far as demographics is concerned, Israel is destined to have an ever larger Arab-Israeli minority; as far as economics is concerned, Israel will dominate the area as the chief economic operator --no matter whether there's a Palestinian state or a rump hinterland... Already some (pro-)Israeli do-gooders point out that the Palestinian workforce is fully dependent on Israeli corporations and hint that a colonialist, win-win relationship between Israeli masters and Arab subcontractors is the Palestinians' best bet. Yet, as far as democracy and self-determination are concerned, even the peaceful coexistence of Israel alongside a Palestinian state boils down to a lopsided deal in favor of Israel. Gus.

To: LV who wrote (2408)	7/18/2001 5:16:22 AM
From: GUSTAVE JAEGER	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 23908

Re: There are some people here in the US who prepare to fight against what they see as a threat of one-world government. I guess they would stand on the opposite end of political spectrum from you. What is interesting is that even though you probably disagree with them on everything else, you agree on the subject of Israel (for different reasons of course). I'm not sure it's that clear-cut... and I guess that some militia trigger-happy churchgoers share the same siege mentality with Jewish settlers. June 23, 1995 Beilin rejects Israel visit by Christian Coalition head DAVID TWERSKY MetroWest (N.J.) Jewish News Israeli Deputy Foreign Minister Yossi Beilin's decision to block an official invitation of Christian Coalition director Ralph Reed to Israel is being criticized by pro-Israel activists as "a serious misjudgment" and "a huge mistake." The invitation, backed by a wide array of Jewish groups and the Israeli embassy in Washington, was hatched by conservatives interested in bridging the gap between the hawkish pro-Likud evangelicals -- and their conservative GOP allies in Congress -- and the Rabin government. Reed is quite influential in the new GOP-controlled Congress. Israeli Ambassador Itamar Rabinovich was won over to the idea after sharing a Friday evening Shabbat dinner last January with the Christian Coalition leader at the home of Marshal Breger. Breger, a former Jewish liaison in the Reagan White House who served as a top official in the Bush labor department, is currently at the Heritage Foundation, a conservative think tank. The idea won the backing not only of embassy officials but of liberals and pro-peace activists from Americans for Peace Now, who lobbied Beilin to no avail. [...] jewishsf.com Besides, I'm afraid that most brainwashed militiamen are at cross-purposes with the UN and its "globaloney stooges". They live in the Bible Belt, insulated from world politics and completely unaware of the current US world governance, dubbed Pax Americana by the scholars, "hyperpower" by the Europeans, and "leadership" by the US Administration. The so-called "one-world-government" they fear is merely an attempt by other countries to restrain US unilateralism abroad. It has nothing to do with meddling in the US's domestic politicking... I mean, just take Affirmative Action as a case in point: that's an issue on which ALL those militia nuts agree: they basically view it as a Communist, racist (reverse discrimination) measure that subversively stands against America's meritocratic work ethic... Well, was Affirmative Action enforced by the UN upon unyielding Americans? Nope, because Affirmative Action is precisely one of these Yankee jack-in-the-box's that run counter to the worldview of most other peoples --Europe, Russia, Japan, etc... Gus

To: LV who wrote (2408)	7/18/2001 10:26:04 AM
From: GUSTAVE JAEGER	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 23908

Re: I'm curious how do you see European Union? Do you support all nations under one flag or do you see it as bigger government leading to more oppression? Europe's Love-Hate Affair With Foreigners December 24, 2000 THE WORLD Europe's Love-Hate Affair With Foreigners By ROGER COHEN pub34.ezboard.com Excerpt: The fears may prove costly. David Hale, the chief economist at Zurich Financial Services, argues that one reason the United States may continue to outperform Europe lies in "its demographic characteristics and high tolerance for immigration." "During the next 10 years," he said, "the working age population of Japan will decline by 6 percent, in Europe it will stagnate at best, and in the United States it will expand by at least 10 percent." The potential result: a Europe short of labor and struggling to finance retirement payments. But a European reaction may be at hand. Europeans often argue that their cohesive social model must be defended against the raw social fragmentation of American multiculturalism; they tend to insist that immigrants adapt to local culture rather than introduce new ones. But they are looking closely at one American idea. Several governments are coming around to the view that a model similar to the American H-1B visa - allowing skilled foreign workers into the country - needs to be adopted. In the United States, this program has been expanded to allow in 585,000 workers over the next three years. Germany has now offered 20,000 so- called green cards for qualified foreigners. This would mark a shift, albeit small, toward controlled immigration and away from the policies that have made family reunion, asylum-seeking and illegality the only roads into Fortress Europe. But the deeper problem appears political and cultural. "Politicians have forced us into parallel societies by denying for so long that we existed and pretending for so long that we would go home," said Safet Cinar, who heads an association of the 130,000 Turks in Berlin. The problem of immigration in Europe has existed for a long time. Global culture, economics, demography and reactionary politics have now brought it to a head. The corpses on Europe's borders demonstrate its gravity. In his pioneering 19th- century book on nationalism, "What is a Nation?", Ernest Renan pointed out that the idea of the nation was based on shared habits and language but also on a shared ability to forget past hatreds. Paraphrasing Renan, it may be asked, at the beginning of the 21st century, how a nascent United States of Europe hopes to further the peace and prosperity that the European Union has brought without overcoming the enduring prejudice that divides Christianity and Islam and without burying, once and for all, the ethnic bigotry that has little basis in a multinational history and has so repeatedly plunged the continent into war. __________________ Answer: Neofascism.... Subject 33609