To: LV who wrote (2409 ) 7/18/2001 6:48:52 AM From: GUSTAVE JAEGER Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 23908 Re: Perhaps it's time to put a different group into ghettos to try to elicit geniuses. I would think that the Jews have had enough of that. Two thousand years is long enough. C'mon... enough moaning! After all, the ghetto turned out to be much sweeter for many a Jew than "ordinary life" for most Gentiles. The Rothschild bankers started out in their Frankfurt ghetto, same with the Warburgs... Austrian author Stefan Zweig (1881-1942) was the son of a wealthy Jewish entrepreneur. Besides, the persecution against Jews has always been one AMONG MANY OTHER persecutions: in the Middle Ages, while Jews were confined to their quarters, most of the peasants were mere serves toiling away for a handful of lords. In the same line of argument I'd broach the issue of colonialism: when Belgium engaged in the ruthless, intensive exploitation of Congo riches from the 1880s on, millions of Congolese men, women and children were savagely killed or mutilated in the process... Yet, in Belgium proper, when coal miners and other "working poors" went on strike, the government summoned the gendarmerie pronto to scatter the troublemakers. Most of the time, after a dozen demonstrators were shot down, the penny dropped for the remaining workforce... So, how could we expect leniency towards distant primitives from a government who wouldn't flinch from bumping off their own citizens? As for "putting a different group in the doghouse", I'm afraid that's been the name of the game for centuries... European societies have always been complex fabrics, a patchwork of ghettos: the aristocracy vs the plebs, the church, the guilds, the Jews, etc. Take the immigrants for instance: in Belgium, after WWII, many Italian workers came to the iron/steel/coal industry. It'd have been unthinkable for anyone of them to make it to the top... And yet, 50 years later, Wallonia's #1 party (Parti Socialiste) is headed by an Italian immigrant... Europe's urban ghettos still exist, however, their inhabitants have changed: the Jews of yore have been replaced by Muslims (from Morocco, Algeria, Turkey, subsaharan Africa). Gus.