To: ronho who wrote (13928 ) 7/18/2001 7:43:18 AM From: 49thMIMOMander Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 34857 Ronho,and others, you miss my point, try to build strawmen I have not claimed Snap Track doesn't work I have asked why use GPS when it has to be "aided" with base station triangulation anyway?? Only so that GPS will do the job in that lonely, mythical cell in the desert where triangulation isn't possible until they are connected to the external world with one cell covering the entry road and a third the exit road?? For privacy: Whats the use of turning off GPS when the aided part works from the base stations anyway, all the time?? Gvmt agencies,etc, just like a 911 call must automatically bypass the 10 meter privacy block, I would assume some agencies have the same unblocking right, at least under certain circumstances. The more important questions are under what circumstances, for what purpose, signed and regulated by who and distributed to whome, when considered valid,etc,etc.. Especially as anyones operator already has the cell, sector and appr distance information for any handset's entire lifetime. Europeans (at least finns) have no illusions on "privacy" by "technology", but by regulating who can do what, how and for what purposes,etc.. Additionally we only send a SMS message "WHERE" and Sonera tells us were we are. (but if one loses ones phone, or wonder were the spouse really is, one need to report a serious crime for Sonera to give that information to the police) Ilmarinen P.S. Finland, bordering to Russia in transition obviously deals with many issues relating to mobile phones and other security aspects, always has. P.P.S. EU has already protested Echelon, and the law on publishing a third person's information on internet for other than artistic, journalistic reasons exists, has been used. (my junkmail now comes only from non-EU sites, nothing like when I was using AOL) Our DSL and ADSL also work great, because our copper wires are clean, the operators were allowed to speed up digitalization because it was not in conflict with "vital security interests".