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To: J. C. Dithers who wrote (993)	7/18/2001 9:56:07 AM
From: TradeOfTheDay	Respond to of 1857

The constant smile is what bothers me the most. One would think that he could turn off the auto-pilot-campaigning for the sake of attempting to look grave and at least concerned. I suppose that his advisors have coached him that to look serious equates guilt... and to grin constantly indicates he has nothing to feel guilty over.

To: J. C. Dithers who wrote (993)	7/18/2001 10:01:36 AM
From: Poet	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1857

I've got plenty to say (shocking, I know -g). I get upset when I think of any relationship between two people where the balance of power is so off-kilter. I think Condit's heel-dragging and disavowal of the nature of his relationship are absolutely despicable. If he had no direct part to play in her disappearance, his stonewalling has left her trail cold and he then is partly responsible, in a moral sense, for the fact that she remains "disappeared". I wasn't aware of his comments to his driver. It strikes me that men talk about women's bodies like that all the time, and it's no more offensive to me that he did than it usually is. Question: Who are the women being brought out to defend Condit and offend Levy? I must be behind in my reading. I would very much like to see a focus on Levy's disappearance itself, rather than the free-for-all of innuendo WRT both Chandra's and Condit's backgrounds. Also, IMO, this is no time to get into partisan mudslinging either.

To: J. C. Dithers who wrote (993)	7/18/2001 10:04:06 AM
From: epicure	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1857

Politcal expediency often makes strange bedfellows- being male or female has very little to do with that. I don't know whether a discussion of this type is verboten on this thread, but if it is I am sure Poet will say so. Freedom, for adults, even young ones like Chandra, means they can make bad decisions. Like choosing to become the sex toy of a married man. Young women make decisions like that all the time in all walks of life. Our leering tit and ass obsessed culture provides reinforcement for men who wish to objectify and use women for sexual gratification in non- reciprocal "relationships." I hesitate to call them relationships because they don't really equal relationships to me. But technically they are. I hate that older powerful men pray upon young girls. I hate it when men in fortune 500 corporations do it, and I hate it when politicians do it. We have tried to prevent this with rules in the workplace- but the only really good way to prevent it is to raise men not to see women as objects and disposable vaginas, and to raise women not to imagine men are better (and more emotionally involved and more caring) than they are.

To: J. C. Dithers who wrote (993)	7/18/2001 11:33:38 AM
From: Rambi	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1857

Are these women supporting the process or are they supporting Condit the man? I would bet it's the process. We went through this with Clinton, also. It's important to separate the moral opinions from the political ones. According to a report I watched, Condit has served his district well for many years (in their eyes). It will be up to them to decide in the future if they want him back. (Hopefully, they will decide he is a scumbag and get rid of him.) I can't imagine anyone- male or female- saying publicly that what he did was morally acceptable. But as we've observed now in both Republicans and Democrats, a lack of decency is not always sufficient grounds for political censure. Most people lie about having affairs-- wouldn't you think they'd realize by now that there are very few real secrets in life.