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Politics : Right Wing Extremist Thread -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Father Terrence who wrote (12113)	7/18/2001 6:59:06 PM
From: Ish	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 59480

No, I haven't joined CATS. I get harrassed enough by the IRS without giving them another shot.

To: Father Terrence who wrote (12113)	7/18/2001 7:28:26 PM
From: Mana	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 59480

Terrence, The CAT site looks interesting. Have you ever been to givemeliberty.org The president of the organization is on a hunger strike to get the Govt. to talk about the 16th amendment. Here is an example of their message: What If There Were NO Income Tax? What if individuals were to stop filing and stop paying the income tax ? What if employers were to stop withholding the tax from the paychecks of their employees ? What if there were NO new federal tax to replace the individual income tax? Would we be able to "fix the bridges and maintain a strong national defense"? Would we be able to avoid "chaos"? Would we be a stronger nation? Is a mechanism in place that would allow a peaceful and orderly transition from a society with an individual income tax to a society without one? The answer to each and every one of these questions is a resounding "YES." The Constitution currently provides for Article I, Section 8 taxes, (excise taxes & impost duties) that could be raised by Congress overnight if desired. If Congress so chose, Article I, Section 9 of the Constitution currently provides for the collection of a direct tax, to be collected by the states and proportioned according to the census. This means Congress would pass a tax bill, the President sign the bill into law, and the states would come up with the money the Congress wanted on a pro rata basis. These Constitutional mechanisms have been in place since 1787, and served our country very well until 1913 when the income tax amendment was (fraudulently) adopted. These legal mechanisms can be deployed rapidly and could work very easily today. Of course, with this approach to funding the federal government, there would be a dramatic shift in political and financial power away from the federal government to the States and to the People. It can be safely assumed that if given the choice, the States would use their power to influence the federal government to NOT adopt any law requiring the states to come up with "apportioned" federal tax dollars. Instead, it will be painfully obvious that they, (the states) don't need the "middle man" to perform the basic local functions of government. I.e., the states will fund their own community development, they will fund their own children's education, and they will build their own local roads, all without the huge bureaucracies and political peddling that feed at the federal tax trough found in Washington, D.C. today. -Mana