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To: TimF who wrote (18695)	7/19/2001 12:08:12 PM
From: Neocon	Respond to of 82486

Actually, civil divorce is not against canon law, but is considered a nullity, so the parties are considered separated but still married. What happens is that remarriage is impossible without violating the sacrament of marriage, and that is what can result in excommunication, since one is living in sin with the second partner. On the other hand, priests often try to ignore it as long as they can. However, they cannot always, and are supposed to deny the sacrament of the Eucharist because of the persistence in unconfessed, unreformed sin. This is not automatically a condemnation to Hell, although the idea that one is in mortal sin reveals the jeopardy perceived by the Church. Rather, it is further pressure to seek absolution and eschew the sinful arrangement. Interestingly, as you mention, simple adultery would not ordinarily lead to excommunication, for the simple reason that one is not flaunting it, and therefore challenging the Church to react.

To: TimF who wrote (18695)	7/19/2001 12:27:13 PM
From: Solon	Respond to of 82486

My response was to this: Yes I have read it, and nowhere in it, or in official Church doctrine, does it say that a priest determines if you get in to heaven or not Your response is just mixing up sand in a sandbox. The church doesn't say you have to stay with someone that abuses you. I have just finished telling you that a representative of the church DID suggest that in the strongest possible terms. He was a Croatian Priest. I choose to believe her information on the matter, but thank you for your smug imput. Also again this is not within the power of a priest or even his bishop, as your own quoted data specifies that it has to be "solemnly promulgated by the Pope." My own quoted data explained that it had to be assisted by 12 priests. But even then there is a rather fundamental difference between the actions of someone who convinces you to act stupidly, and one who uses physical force to control and harm you. And was somebody taking a contrary position?? Have I ever denied that the church has caused billions of people to act stupidly?? I believe no person has ever anathematized anyone just for getting a divorce. I wouldn't know. It has nothing to do with anything we have been talking about. I brought up the subject of how the authority of the church can cause pain in people's lives by convincing them to accept ignorant advice based on ignorant dogmas. You have turned a simple sharing of information into irrelevancies.