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To: patron_anejo_por_favor who wrote (113464)7/19/2001 12:17:48 PM
From: Box-By-The-Riviera™  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 436258
 
great post!



To: patron_anejo_por_favor who wrote (113464)7/19/2001 3:05:18 PM
From: lisalisalisa  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 436258
 
<<<<<SEBL is a good example>>>>>>

Man, they are down 10% today while everyone else is up because Tom would not join in and lie with his fellow tech CEO's.

Funny thing is that SEBL's numbers were not as bad as most of the disasters we have have seen latley, plus, being a software company they don't have the same inventory write offs and build ups as many of the other "high-tech" companies do.

At least it seems like you can half-way trust their guidance and numbers, perhaps I will buy some at the end of all of this......

For now though all the get for their honesty is a kick in the n*ts..lol...



To: patron_anejo_por_favor who wrote (113464)7/19/2001 6:29:14 PM
From: Knight  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 436258
 
You are right in assuming that analysts are clever enough to make the foreign currency to dollar adjustments and figure out from IBM's reports what the revenues meant in dollars. If so, why is it not true that they were incapable of adjusting reporting from dollars (which is the currency their accounting is actually based on) into foreign currencies.

You speak as though IBM released only currency-adjusted numbers. The dollar-based reporting was already released, so the analysts didn't need to make any adjustment.

It's not disingenuous if:

1) It's their standard reporting policy


I don't completely agree here. In some cases, currency fluctuation is not an issue due to successful hedging, etc. This should be done selectively, only in cases where it makes a material difference in results--otherwise, it's just irrelevant noise. (In those cases, simply stating that currency fluctuations made no material difference in results will suffice.) In this case, it did make a material difference.

2) If it's done when the dollar is weakening (we'll see)

Agreed, in cases where it makes a significant difference.

3) If expenses are also handled in "constant currency" (they weren't)

I'm assuming that in cases where IBM reported net income (or margins) in constant currency, they were also translating the relevant expense side to constant currency. Do you have any information that suggests otherwise? (Serious question, not being facetious.)

You mention SEBL as a good example of candor. I agree that candor in a conference call is good (and refreshing!). SEBL is one of my long-term holdings (earmarked for kids' college) and I respect their management and appreciate their candor--even when it generates a short-term hit to the stock price like it did today. As an investor (rather than a trader) in their stock such candor gives me more confidence in their management.

I do not hold individual shares of IBM; however, I didn't view the way they reported their results as dishonest. Overall, it seemed rather balanced (they highlighted some weaknesses as well as strengths) though, perhaps, not as candid as SEBL's. In that context, I thought the objections here about "constant currency" seemed overblown. I don't normally follow this thread, so perhaps I'm missing something with IBM. Would you care to elaborate on how they've been dishonest in their accounting, etc. (or point me to posts, etc. that have this information). Thanks.