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Politics : Sharks in the Septic Tank -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: thames_sider who wrote (18769)	7/20/2001 10:46:47 AM
From: Neocon	Respond to of 82486

There is no doubt that truth claims made by science are superior, especially in the public arena, to most others. On the other hand, we cannot live insisting upon everything conforming to that measure. Scholarship cannot ordinarily be so rigorous, for example, but tells us much of what we want to know about about the human world, the world of history and culture. As for religion, well, it also develops. Few people are fundamentalists........

To: thames_sider who wrote (18769)	7/20/2001 1:49:17 PM
From: average joe	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 82486

"(...new immutable 'truth'...)" ? Reality exists independent of your brain waves! The extinction of the dinosaurs is no longer being blamed on a meteorite. The Tunguska event was possibly caused by an upper mantle release of gas or how about this... ananova.com All your consensus thinking and all the hypothetical Hindus in the world won't change reality or get you a government grant.

To: thames_sider who wrote (18769)	7/20/2001 1:49:51 PM
From: one_less	Respond to of 82486

"...untestable 'truth'..." Scuuuze me, but the truth is always and constantly being tested. Persons who take a stand on the truth and justice also. Just because you can't put something in a peeetree dish and play with it does't mean it isn't testable. Get your head out of your test tube for a moment and you would see that.

To: thames_sider who wrote (18769)	7/20/2001 4:11:26 PM
From: epicure	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 82486

Add to all that the fact that scientists do not usually kill each other because they disagree over theory. I know of no crusades where scientists from one country marched into other countries raping and pillaging in an effort to "educate" the citizens of other countries and bring them to the "light". The 5 kingdoms are going to 8 (and already have for some textbooks, I believe)- and yet I know of no bloodshed relating to this! Amazing, I know. There may be scientists who take their science as religion, just as there are some fanatic sports fans who clearly take the worship of athletics too far, but the scientists I have met were open minded, curious, wonderful people. I liked them a lot. And if it hadn't been for all that research (yawn) I would have loved getting a phd in plant pathology. Repeatable results. Repeatable results. Repeatable results. That's what it's all about. Does that mean things will never be otherwise? Not for a true scientist (imo). A fact is only a fact as long as it remains a repeatable provable theory. Once it quits being repeatable, it's not a fact any longer (imo). I can drop a ball outside and prove the theory of gravity for myself. BUT the minute that ball flies upward instead of dropping back down (golden snitches not included) that isn't a fact anymore.