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To: Rarebird who wrote (73824)7/23/2001 1:18:29 AM
From: E. Charters  Respond to of 116836
 
You may be a humanist but not necessarily human, so if GT's simple faith is strong enough for human attack, it still may not resist the relentless advances and insidious, corrosive, avian deprogramming logic of the birdman of all-can-trash.

Don't talk to him GT, he will shake your belief in the worth of just keep on keeping on. You will sell your silver crucifix and St. Christopher's medallion that have thus far protected you and sink into depravation and infamy. No doubt the turmoil of whether to steal, kill or help blind old ladies across the street will have you so morally conflicted that you will throw yourself in front of the next bus full of cheerful song singing Sunday School kids and smash that last bottle of Catawba. At least remember to save the bottle for the next conscience stricken wanderer. If you are swimming in a delerious sea of grief stricken doubt and cannot see a reason to continue, remember this simple mantra. If the bottle is full, or nearly so, put it on the sidewalk, say a simple non denominational prayer for safety's sake, then jump.

EC<:-}



To: Rarebird who wrote (73824)7/23/2001 2:08:29 AM
From: IngotWeTrust  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 116836
 
Dear Rarebird,
It is my current sense that YOU have moved from dialog with to patronizing me--- and that, sir, is regretable.

First of all, you make a few erroneous assumptions, and you made them publically. I choose to deflect and debunk them, also in public.

Your first erroneous assumption:

1) While I have no problem acknowledging God as Creative Spirit who is afoot in the world today as best I understand,

I do NOT see nor equate that acknowledgement as the "Praising the Lord" as you derisively characterize it. I have left that particular brand and practice of "Lord Praising" far behind, many years ago. And the more of what I occasionally observe surfing the tube as the modern day version of "praising the Lord" the more I'm glad I left that Alpha/Beta wave manipulative type of brainwashing group hypnosis behind. You, of course didn't know that, but YOU DID make an incorrect assumption about me here and I reject your assumption.

Your second erroneous assumption you make:

2) While I have no problem with humans seeking happiness, either temporal or eternal, I do NOT believe that is my motivation or basis of my Christian Faith as you categorically assignate. That's simply too shallow, and inadequate an analysis of the basis of MY faith system which is Christian by choice. You of course didn't know that about me, but you did make an incorrect assumption, and I reject your assumption.

Your third erroneous assumption you make:

3) That I care with whom you have studied, and expect me to either debate their credentials or to respond with my "long list of credentialled teachers, philosophers, mystics, instrumental in my formulation of understanding regarding spirituality, etc," in some sort of philisophical pissing contest. That is simply not tempting nor required.
We all come into this world alone and we all die alone. We don't take any mentor with us, but simply the answer to one question by which all of our earthly plane existance will be measured.
HINT: That answer is NOT "what is the POG the day I died<grin>

So, while a priest and minister molded and polished your under-/ post-grad theological arguments either prior to or during your moderated pursuit and receipt of your Doctorate degree, do NOT assume that the polish of or your litany of their attributed molding/shaping sourcings of said philosophies is sufficient to help you pass your "final" exam. I certainly don't make that assumption of anyone. In fact, at this point of my development, I'm rather certain that the point is that we give an answer, any answer at all! So, I reject your assumption that I need to match wits or attributed litany with you in order to participate in a thoughtful discourse with you.

Your fourth incorrect assumption you made:

4) You imply that I most likely have a " shredable faith system that can be undermined by discourse with another human." Since it isn't "humanistically" based, nor formed entirely as the result of this "current trip" through the temporal, earth-plane school, I'm rather certain you can't "shake it."

However, all these beg the following:
Why would you want to engage in any conversation whose stated outcome, i.e., my unraveling of my faith system if that were possible--was your stated goal? While your condescending request of my permission to continue this lopsided, philisophical ambush in PM was a "nice touch", I reject both your premise and your condescending behaviour. My PM inbox isn't blocked nor censored by others. You can write what you wish, publically or privately. However, if your intent is what is stated above, then save us both the trouble and don't fill my mailbox with futher insulting assumptions nor condescending statements.

TRANSLATION: You've insulted me, Dr. Bird.

Here's my "invitation:"
When you can approach me as an equal and demonstrate that publically over the course of time, then we'll discourse further, publically or privately. However, since you insulted me in public, before you show up in my PM box, I request a public apology of the same magnitude as your assumptive, condescending, and arrogant public baitings. Posting of same upon this Thread will do nicely.

Sincerely,
gold_tutor

All conversation has to be based upon mutual respect, and starting with that assumptive outcome statement combined with the above incorrect assumptions turns me off totally. There is nothing open minded nor mutually exploratory in such an approach or invitation which I perceive you just publically issued.

As far as being welcome in my PM box, it's an open box. You may write what you like as long as I'm free to be real and respond in kind, except in trying to either with a pissing contest or match wits in some mental exercise designed by you as a patronizing white male.

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