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To: Rambi who wrote (60211)	7/23/2001 10:02:29 AM
From: epicure	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 71178

I don't believe people go so far as to demand the removal of confederate flags off personal property. I am curious- how would you feel if a neighbor hung a Swastika in their window? Because I think to many people the Confederate flag is as hateful as a Swastika. I am a relativist- neither symbol is hateful to me. But I understand the vast numbers of people who find both symbols hateful. And I think I understand the people who might want to wear these symbols in protest- because they are afraid their heritage is being taken away from them, without understanding that heritage is a moving target. It isn't a solid object you can keep in tact. At some point it was just fine to beat your wife and kids hard enough to leave welts. That is part of our heritage. People were even proud of this kind of discipline. But now the sentiment of this country has changed- and most people are not going to want to hang around with you if you want to brag about how grandaddy knew how to keep the kiddies and grandma in line with the ole' switch. I think the same is true of the confederate flag. People have every right to wave it around on their own property. But other people have every right to judge them for doing it. It DOES send a message that you are either ignorant of the painful associations or you don't give a f*ck about the painful associations. And that is a message that is bound to isolate your from a certain percentage of the population. It is very out of step with the norm. And therefore it is....the other. I am wary of people with Swastikas tattooed on their arms- even though I am sure some of them are OK people.

To: Rambi who wrote (60211)	7/26/2001 3:19:20 AM
From: JF Quinnelly	Respond to of 71178

No one, until this current crop of south haters arrived, ever made a comparison of the Battle Flag to the Nazi swastika. The Battle Flag flew over battlefields, not slave fields. And it flew only 4 years. The American flag flew over slave fields for 90 years, and in the north it did so even after the war until the 13th- 15th Amendments were passed. The Union counterpart of the Son's of the Confederate Veterans defends the Battle Flag- they, too, know and love American history and resent this assault on the symbols of the Confederacy. No one cared about the Battle Flag until some groups on the political left saw it as a way to gin up racial turmoil. The professional race industry needs to stir up the pot, to create an issue, so they can do some fund raising and get out their voters. If everyone gets along, Jesse Jackson and Ralph Neas are out of work.