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To: J_F_Shepard who wrote (163776)7/23/2001 10:31:41 PM
From: Thomas A Watson  Respond to of 769667
 
>>>> I had a link for the curve but can't find it at the moment.

Well this is some interesting information about some of the differences in what the hell is the global temperature.

While the surface record was registering a global warming of +0.4°C between 1979 and the present, the satellite MSU record was showing a quite different trend. It was also showing a warming, but less than 0.1°C (not the 0.4°C claimed for the surface). Even this small trend was not evenly spread across the full twenty-one years, nor was it truly global. Instead it resulted from the warmth of 1998 caused by the big El Niño of 1997-98. Up to that time, the satellites were actually registering a slight global cooling. After the effect of 1998 is included, the Southern Hemisphere still shows a slight cooling, with only the Northern Hemisphere showing a small warming for the full twenty-one years.
greeningearthsociety.org
While global warming skeptics have expressed public disquiet about this discrepancy between the MSU and surface data for many years, the gap between them simply has become too large to be ignored any longer, not even by those institutions that have been predicting global warming due to human activity and greenhouse gases [8][12].

It is even more puzzling that the MSU record is not diverging from
the surface record everywhere. Instead, the two records are in
close agreement over North America, Western Europe, and Australia
the very regions where the station records have been properly
collected and maintained. Elsewhere, the surface and satellites
diverge, with the surface record showing a significant warming
while the MSU shows an almost neutral trend.

The biggest differences between the two records [9][12] occur in

1) A broad band over the Indian Ocean and Southeast Asia

2) West Africa

3) Central Brazil

4) Polynesia

5) Pacific Ocean west of Mexico

6) Northeastern Siberia

Clearly, these are not regions where we have available reliable,
consistent, and well-maintained surface records. It is hardly
credible to associate the divergence between the satellite and
surface records to natural causes, when the ostensible natural
causes are so selective as to avoid detection in the well-monitored
populated areas in OECD countries. Southeast Asia has been so
racked by war and political upheaval in the 20th century that its
records lack continuity and consistency. Tropical stations in
Malaysia and Indonesia show warming, while Darwin and Willis Island
in Australia, both tropical stations in the same region, do not.
greeningearthsociety.org
tom watson tosiwmee



To: J_F_Shepard who wrote (163776)7/24/2001 7:43:41 AM
From: Neocon  Respond to of 769667
 
Even proponents of the CO2 hypothesis generally acknowledge that present modeling is inadequate for prediction. But if you find the link, I would be interested........