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To: J. C. Dithers who wrote (1288)	7/24/2001 2:40:59 PM
From: Poet	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1857

OMG, JC, I went from terrified concern to ribald laughter reading your post. How shall I procede? I'll take the humourous stuff (get the pun?) first, so as to assure you that I have no bile about your post. <gg> Every time you mentioned GB, I thought you were talking about about the President, BTW. "Gee, first Cheney and his heart, now Bush and his gall bladder. Those poor Repubs!" And "sucking it out through a jumbo straw". If that doesn't qualify for Sauna visual of the week, I don't know what will! OK, now, on a more serious note, my mother had her gall bladder removed about twenty years ago, after years of chronic digestive problems and pain. While the surgery was surely more complicated and risky then than it is now, she said she'd wished they'd taken the damn thing out long before. It changed her health completely and quickly. She's now in her mid-sixties, playing tennis and gallivanting like never before. Also, the improvements in anesthesia recently are remarkable. I don't know when the last time was when you had major surgery, but my surgery last week was much easier to recover from because of less toxic anesthesia (not to mention great new anti-emetics). I say if you've been feeling poorly (a little southern phrase in honor of Eudora) and this procedure is recommended by someone you trust, it's a good idea. Only one caveat: You must return and show us your scar!

To: J. C. Dithers who wrote (1288)	7/24/2001 4:52:59 PM
From: DScottD	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1857

My wife had her GB removed 7 years ago and had the laparoscopy procedure. It was something like four tiny incisions that leave little dotlike scars. She was in the hospital two days (she talked the Dr. into one extra day of rest -- our oldest was only 6 months old at the time and it was the best rest she had had since his birth) and was basically back to normal within a week or so. She felt incredibly better immediately. The Dr. even gave us the Slurpee straw as a souvenir!!

To: J. C. Dithers who wrote (1288)	7/24/2001 6:41:20 PM
From: Nemer	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1857

JC .. my wife had her gall bladder removed within a year of her triple bypass .. which was five years ago next month.... strange to find that heart surgery seems to bring about gall bladder problems in a high percentage of patients ... the ONLY problem resulting from gb removal, and I find this to be prevalent in most of the heart patients I know personally who've had gb removal is ------> intake of fatty foods in any quantity causes minor to severe stomach pain and discomfort .... so, as we *(I'm the chief cooker person in the family) watch the fat grams for the heart friendly diet anyway there isn't much problem ... but when she "splurges" and eats several meals with high fat content ..... she pays a price .... that, however, is the only drawback from the operation ... which was a laparoscopy, and, indeed, as BS reported, the resultant scars are dotted in nature .... I did have one friend who had a "triple" .... his operations were as follows and done at the same time .. 1) circumsion 2) hemmroidectomy 3) gall bladder removal he did well, but did admit the triple was a bit much ..... but he was trying to save time and money .... ggggg good luck ps .. I'm too tired from working in the yard all day to look up the correct spelling on the ops .... gggg

To: J. C. Dithers who wrote (1288)	7/25/2001 12:54:14 AM
From: daffodil	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1857

(Gulp) Has anyone here had a gall bladder removed? JC, I think you raise a very interesting question. Your medical team is telling you that your gall bladder is useless. But the question is, "just because we can't identify any reason that the thing is useful, can we therefore conclude that it is useless?" Most of us would recognize that as faulty logic, and therein lies the rub. Years ago, my doctor wanted me to have thyroid surgery. I had nodes that made my doctor nervous. I had all sorts of tests and the technicians doing the tests told me, "oh, these nodes are no problem." Of course, the doctor was upset that they told me that. He couldn't tell me exactly why the nodes were BAD, but but he sent me to The Surgeon. The Surgeon said, "we'll remove these nodes and, of course, we'll take out your parathyroid as well." My immediate reaction was, "what? No way you will!!! I don't know what my parathyroid is or does, but I WANT IT!" I left The Surgeon's office promising to call to schedule the surgery, but I never did. I didn't mind if they took out the offending thyroid, but the innocent parathyroid was the deal killer for me. That was at least 12 years ago and to date all of my thyroid tests are normal and I haven't died yet. So yeah, I'm with you. I studied Comparative Anatomy in college and it's just amazing how all of these little parts work together to create an incredible functional whole being. Just because we don't know what an organ does is no reason to remove it. It's bad logic, bad thinking, and for all we know it may be bad medicine. I hope you get lots of feedback from people who have been through this to help you in your decision as to whether such radical surgery is necessary. I think your approach of using the Internet to gather information is excellent. Doctors hate it when we use this kind of anecdotal evidence to challenge their pronouncements. But there's a lot of wisdom in collective experience. Good luck to you. Please keep us posted, okay? }->---------->>>>