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To: Neocon who wrote (1383)	7/26/2001 9:37:54 AM
From: Poet	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1857

Thank you, Neo! This is a very rich, dense offering, obviously the result of careful work. I really appreciate your posting it. I'm going to reread it a few times. It sounds like your "voice" though. -g

To: Neocon who wrote (1383)	7/26/2001 12:20:44 PM
From: elpolvo	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1857

too allusive? maybe... i normally don't like to be approached by more than twenty of these words in the same month: overarching heidegger solicitude handedness schematize dianoetic penumbral apperception aesthesis trockenberen auslese morphology fatted dessication quiddity essentia lair jeremiad minotaur blather effluvia reconnoitering espy portent mozaritan wraith savour artifice haughtily this is two months worth of reader's digest's "it pays to increase your wordpower" but then, i'm a... -werd wimp (no offense intended) maybe if you'd made it rhyme it would have been less allusive 'Twas brillig, and the slithy toves did gyre and gimble in the wabe. All mimsy were the borogoves, And the mome raths outgrabe. "Beware the Jabberwock, my son! The jaws that bite, the claws that catch! Beware the Jubjub bird, and shun the frumious Bandersnatch!" He took his vorpal sword in hand: Long time the maxome foe he sought- So rested he by the Tumtum tree, And stood a while in thought. As in uffish thought he stood, The Jabberwock, with eyes of flame, Came whiffling through the tulgey wood, And burbled as it came. One, two! One, two! And through and through The vorpal blade went snicker-snack. He left it dead, and with its head He went galumphing back. "Has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Calloh! Callay! He chortled in his joy. 'Twas brillig, and the slithy toves Did gyre and gimble in the wabe: All mimsy were the borogoves, And the mome raths outgrabe. -lewis caroll (jabberwockey)

To: Neocon who wrote (1383)	7/26/2001 12:44:23 PM
From: Neocon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1857

Notes to part one Heidegger is one of the main 20th century philosophers. In his book "Being and Time", he speaks of the way in which we experience the solicitude of those around us as a kind of oppression, for it undermines our own projects. He also talks about the way in which we approach objects instrumentally. In this case, the taking up of pre- existing thoughts is likened to things to be used. At the same time, a misgiving about about approaching life through books and learned ideas is expressed. There is a poking of fun at the orderly, almost pat, acquisition of knowledge, followed by a sense of being overwhelmed by experience. There are allusions to Kant, and the idea that we take the material of experience and synthesize it into a whole that is our own, as well as the idea that we get the material of experience through the perception of time and space, and the sense that processing that material is under strain. An allusion to Hegel (The Phenomenology of Spirit) and the idea that we recapitulate the stages that consciousness goes through historically, with the thought of being stuck at an early, stoic stage. The ejaculation "oh christ!" is followed by a jest about not being developed enough to have the sort of consciousness that corresponds to that historic moment.

To: Neocon who wrote (1383)	7/26/2001 12:54:27 PM
From: Neocon	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1857

Notes to part two Trockenberenauslese is the highest grade of German dessert wine. To get it, one waits until the grapes are almost rotted on the vine. The shape of my mind is such that I would expect the best wine grape to be at the ripest, purest stage. But that is not so, better wine is produced by the grape past its apparent prime, near death. This is compared to the wonderful palette of autumn, and the idea that something is most itself as it approaches death. Somehow, the individual qualities have a last blaze of glory, overwhelming the characteristics shared with others of the species. Referring this idea to the personal quality of death, the loneliness of the individual in facing it, the reflection on one's private journey. But a sense, too of the uniqueness of the individual, concentrated into a sort of harvestable berry, so that we all contribute to a wine, "filling the flask of history delectably".

To: Neocon who wrote (1383)	7/26/2001 1:06:41 PM
From: Neocon	Respond to of 1857

Notes to part three This is a conflation of the minotaur in the labyrinth, the Golden Calf, and the cow referred to in Jeremiah. "Harder than spittle" refers to the sense of shame, as when one is spat on. "Softer than flame" refers to the beguiling amorphousness of flame, its malleability, which belies its destructive power. Notes to part four (A) A sort of summary, up to this point. Identification of the churning questioner with the minotaur/calf figure.

To: Neocon who wrote (1383)	7/26/2001 1:12:49 PM
From: Neocon	Respond to of 1857

Notes to part four (B) Trying to make sense of experience, personal sense, not philosophic sense. To find one's destiny, to find the path where one can make a difference, or be transformed, to find a pattern much like a melody, over time. What sort of melody? Not mozartian, not the Magic Flute, something graver, more reflective, like Bach, specifically Mache Dich. An allusion to the eucharistic offering of the wine, and the phrase "but only say the word and I shall be healed", toying with the hope of God's grace in affording significance to one's life.

To: Neocon who wrote (1383)	7/26/2001 1:20:46 PM
From: Neocon	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1857

Notes to part five The idea that closest to consciousness is one's primitive self, before being processed in society, which itself regards the subsequent changes in one's life with a sort of wonder, and underlies the face one puts on for others, contrasted with reductionism and pat answers about one's identity. The idea of God as a refuge for inwardness, the way in which one's individual identity can be preserved as something of significance in the long run, not just something to be left behind in the process of socialization and education, and once more an allusion to the phrase "but only say the word, and I shall be healed".......