To: dumbmoney who wrote (76402 ) 7/31/2001 4:07:05 PM From: Bilow Respond to of 93625 Hi dumbmoney; Re: "This is wrong. RDRAM (any flavor) was never commonly used in graphics cards. Everyone was using SDRAM/SGRAM. " I guess it depends on what one means by "commonly". (Or, perhaps, how soon we forget.) My original post on the subject:The History of Rambus and the Graphics Industry... With Links Bilow, SI RMBS thread, April 25, 2000 ... Back in 1995, it seemed pretty clear that Rambus was a natural for the graphics industry. And they did get some important design wins, but there was always a little hesitation in the industry. These first two stories are about concurrent Rambus DRAM design wins in graphics: ... #reply-13492784 I got this reply from John Farrell, who disagreed with some of my comments, but not on the fact that RDRAM was a disaster to the companies that tried it: John Farrell, April 25, 2000 "I worked in the PC graphics accelerator industry for seven (1991-1997) years for Radius, Headland Technologies (previously known as Video 7), Sierra Semiconductor and STB Systems working with various graphics ASICs from those companies or IBM (8514a & XGA), Western Digital (an 8514a clone), S3, Cirrus Logic, Tseng Labs, Nvidia and 3dfx and know the history of that industry and it's memory usage (DRAM, Fast Page DRAM, EDO DRAM, VRAM, SDRAM, MDRAM, SGRAM, Concurrent Rambus, and DDR DRAM) extremely well. ... As I said, in the PC Graphics industry, only Cirrus Logic (Laguna) and Chromatic Research (mPact) (which was founded by the same people who founded Rambus) used Rambus memory and neither one of them could compete on a price/performance basis with chips using EDO and SDRAM memory. The other graphics chip companies were reluctant to go with Rambus because it was next to impossible to do one design that would support Rambus memory AND EDO/SDRAM, partially because of the licensing fees on parts that never were used with Rambus memory. Rambus killed graphics at Cirrus Logic and they exited the business after having once been King of the heap (before they did their Rambus designs) . ATI ended up buying Chromatic Research for it's DVD and system on a chip IP to put into set-top box designs (which use SDRAM). " #reply-13492979lightner.net * GrafixStar 560 AGP - High-performance Windows 95 2D/3D AGP video accelerator card, 4 MB of high-performance Rambus (RDRAM) memory , Cirrus Logic CL-GD5465 high performance 64-bit 2D/3D controller, Windows 95/3.x/NT drivers, up to 1600 x 1200 * GrafixStar 560 PCI - 2D/3D high-performance graphics card, Cirrus Laguna GD5465 64-bit multimedia accelerator with 4 MB of ultra-fast Rambus (RDRAM) memory , Windows 95/3.x/NT drivers, up to 1600 x1200 techadvice.com August 26, 1998Most higher-end gaming-oriented graphics chips use SDRAM, SGRAM, or RDRAM memory types because the memory is both fast and affordable enough to be installed in quantity. ... library.cs.tuiasi.ro library.cs.tuiasi.ro pctechguide.com -- Carl